When working with Victims of Nazis I have seen a force brought in behind the
Nazi perpetrators which gave them strength. The force was never named, could be
Hitler, could be Germany. The perpetrators in the constellations I witnessed
were not given a rank, they could have been either SS or ordinary soldiers. I
certainly wouldn't bring in financial backers of the German forces in a
constellation involving a soldier of WWII or a person who was forced to work in
a labor camp. I think the financial backers would be too removed - the others
are potent enough to make the point.
I presume you all know that Henry Ford, the founder of Ford Automobile Company,
also supported Hitler. You won't find many older, or religious, Jewish people
driving either Fords or VW's, although I don't know what personal problems the
Ford family has suffered as a result. I think a greater example would be the
Kennedy Clan. They have suffered many misfortunes / early deaths due to the
actions of either Joseph Kennedy or his father.
Diane Yankelevitz
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From: Stuart Geltner
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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Body language
when hellinger does constellations with nazi's, i've never seen him bring in
a hitler representative. he always has those specific people who were involved
in the specific events represented. but perhaps this is the clue. we may be
able to unravel it from the bottom up. each family soul that participates
builds the network of those who support such actions. bush dynasty can't do
this alone.
also, when working with nazi's i never saw him bring in a rank and file
solider, only SS. has anybody? or has anybody else felt the need to?
feedback, please.
stuart
On Oct 28, 2004, at 12:07 PM, Alison Rose Levy wrote:
Yes, and what about people who were victims impacted by Bush grandfather's
actions, such as descendants of people in the forced labor camps? Holocaust
victims? or American soldiers who went to war and risked their lives, died, or
suffered trauma fighting an army that Americans had helped to arm?
Would they be considered to be in the "Bush family field?"
Alison
On 10/28/04 3:26 PM, Stuart Geltner at stuart108@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi-
Hellinger has said that only if a person within the field wishes to
work can the work be effective. So, unless a Bush family member steps
up to the plate for a constellation, how can we affect that field?
Feedback, please.
Stuart
On Oct 28, 2004, at 9:48 AM, <levye@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> "Which actually only history can judge. We're too close to
> the action and emotion at this point..."
>
> I would treat Iraq not as something we should wait around to
> find out the consequences of years from now, but more in the
> spirit we see when facilitators go to work on a family
> system when they sense that a child is in immediate danger.
> The reality is that the entire globe and everyone on it is
> in serious and immediate danger and I would be interested in
> knowing any ideas people might have, given this information,
> about whether and how one could work toward healing the Bush
> family field.
>
>
> Ed
>
> ---- Original message ----
>> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 9:22:54 -0700
>> From: Diane Yankelevitz <dianeyankelevitz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Body language
>> To: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>
>> it could be that W. has done something to make up for his
> grandfather's actions by freeing Afghanistan women. But
> then there's Iraq... Which actually only history can judge.
> We're too close to the action and emotion at this point - I
> think.
>> ============================================================
>> From: Alison Rose Levy <LevyAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 2004/10/27 Wed PM 08:40:41 PDT
>> To: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Body language
>>
>>
>> Hi, I'd be interested to hear your comments on a possible
> entanglement from
>> Bush's paternal line. US government documents reveal that
> Bush's
>> grandfather was the front man for Fritz Thyssen, widely
> recognized as the
>> principle financier of Hitler. Americans helping to finance
> the Third Reich
>> could be considered unacknowledged perpetrators whose role
> has been ignored,
>> and thus remains a family secret.
>>
>> This briefly summarizes a recent Guardian feature story
> which appears well
>> researched and is worth a read.
>>
>> Bush Grandfather Played Key Role in Financing Hitler's Rise
>>
>> U.S. government documents declassified in the last year
> appear to lend
>> substance and confirmation to long circulating rumors that
> Prescott Bush,
>> the current president's grandfather played a key role in
> the financing of
>> the rise of the Third Reich. From 1926 through 1942, Bush
> was a director,
>> shareholder and front man of companies that, "profited from
> their
>> involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany,"
> wrote Ben Aris and
>> Duncan Campbell in a September 25, 2004 article published
> in the British
>> newspaper, The Guardian.
>>
>> link to story here:
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
>>
>> Through his job as Bank President of the United Banking
> Company, a
>> subsidiary of the prestigious Wall Street banking firm,
> Brown Brothers
>> Harriman, Bush's involvement with Fritz Thyssen, widely
> recognized as the
>> chief financial architect of Nazism, continued until 1942
> when Bush's
>> holdings were seized (after Pearl Harbor) under the Trading
> with the Enemy
>> Act, according to government documents, cited by several
> journalists.
>> Government investigators in 1941 found that Prescott Bush
> held stock shares
>> in an interlocking series of companies and banks on behalf
> of enemy
>> nationals, according to a memo from the National Archives
> seen by the
>> Guardian. It is rumored that Bush sold his share in UBC
> after the war for
>> $1.5 million, and that this perhaps may have formed a basis
> for the Bush
>> family fortune.
>>
>> In addition, they claim that Bush appears to be linked to a
> Silesian steel
>> company that used
>> slave labor from concentration camps, including Auschwitz.
> A court case for
>> damages launched by survivors lost in court on a
> technicality, that was just
>> recently signed into law by George W. Bush, the Guardian,
> reporters say.
>>
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