Albet, Thanks for trying. I don't need to know what the symbols look like. I need to know the rules for their placement in specific situations. I'll need an accessible book and there are none so far. K. -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of albertm13@xxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:18 AM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Accessible books on print notation conventions Hi, On the Dancing Dots resources page look for - Print Music Symbols and Tactile Graphics: This might just be symbols as opposed to the rules that you are looking for. - Norton Grove Encyclopedia of Music: This might list more rules but it probably isn't organized in a way that would help you find rules. Here are some other links that might help. I'm not really sure how accessible they are and they were written for sighted people. - http://www.datadragon.com/education/reading/ - http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/ As far as your burning question is concerned I'll try to answer it: Generally if the dynamic applies to both hands it should be between the staves and, as for your example, if the dynamic should pertain to the top staff notes when they eventually start then you should put that dynamic between the staves where the dynamic first applies (just once). I guess it wouldn't hurt to write it more than once just to be clear except if it is a cresc. or decrescendo since their start time and volume could be confused if the indication is postponed. By the way, I, along with Bettye Krolick, disagree with the braille rule about not indicating dynamics with rests because of this situation. Albert ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ddots-l] Accessible books on print notation conventions Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:21:22 -0500 Guys, Are there any books on the specifics of print music notation that are in accessible format? I never bothered to learn Music Braille. I don't really have any desire to. I just wish there was an accessible book on print notation that would answer just burning questions as: 1. If you have a dynamic mark in the left hand but no music in the right hand, do you put that dynamic between the staves of a piano grand staff, or below the left hand? Any help would be appreciated. Kevin ____________________________________________________________ Is Your Bank in Trouble? Free list Of Banks Doomed to Fail. The Banks and Brokers X List. Free! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4bd5a0f7a3c4d1addcfst06duc PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=subscribe If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type unsubscribe For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subjectúq or send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type unsubscribe For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subjectúq or send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq