You should be able to access them through the track view unless CT broke that function in the latest version. Just arrow to the patch selection column in the track pain and use the value change keys. I haven't needed those synths in a while so I don't know if it still works in CT 8.5. May the Peace of God which passes all understanding guard your heart and mind in Christ Jesus. God bless you! Website http://www.nevillepeter.com Email neville@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Phone 407-222-4488 Web store http://www.nevillepeter.com/store -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:20 AM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Making patche and controler event changes within the event view As a follow up question, I been trying to access the sounds within Cyclone, and Pentagon I and was wondering if you can access the patches through the event view since I cannot access them through the properties page, the synth rack view , or the track view . Thanks, Ivan PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=subscribe If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type unsubscribe For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject q or send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type unsubscribe For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject�q or send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq