[ddots-l] Re: Phasing on Pianos
- From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 15:33:22 -0700
MessagePhil,
Sure. I completely forgot that many of the notes are three and 2 string sets.
Makes sense, now.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Muir
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 15:03
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Phasing on Pianos
A bit of both. Though, mainly talking about the strings resonating on one
note. E.G, when one note has 3 strings, say in the trebble section and all 3
are slightly out of tune with each other . Or, one string in particular,
resonates, no matter what you do.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:46 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Phasing on Pianos
Phil,
So you're saying that in spite of the damper pads resting on all the other
inactive strings, there is still phasing (what I would call sympathetic
resonance) on other strings? Or are we talking about resonances when one string
is played whilst the sustain pedal is depressed?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Muir
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 13:30
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Phasing on Pianos
Dave, you can get this slightly phasing sound when a piano is slightly out
of tune. Some of this can be fixed by tuning all of the strings so that when
you play a given note, on it's own, it sounds clear and dead. Meaning, no
unisons out of tune on a note and no phasing unisons from strings on the note
at all. Of course, every piano is different and some pianos suffer from vary
bad phasing. in other words, there can be other harmonics on the strings that
you just can't get rid of. that may be what I was hearing in this particular
piano over all but, that won't account for the 6th D as that's just out of tune.
Regards, Phil Muir
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 9:04 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Phasing on Pianos
Phil,
You mentioned this in terms of the tuning. Can you give me a spot-on
education on what you mean when you say you've never been wild about phasing on
pianos? What does the phasing do to the sound, tone, and/or tuning?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Muir
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 12:11
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Amazing virtaul piano
O yeh. Still smiling here! Still don't like the 6th D, being
particularly out of tune when compared to the rest of the instrument. When
tuning pianos at college, I would have been made to tune that note again and
rightly so. To me, that makes the whole thing sound inconsistent. Not
personally keen on the phasing of the sound. That's what I love about sound.
One mans greatest piano ever is another mans out of tune out of phase sounding
piano, smile. Of course, this is coming from someone who's a piano tuner so, I
am never wild about phasing on pianos anyway.
Regards, Phil Muir
Accessibility Training
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Steve Wicketts
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 6:31 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Amazing virtaul piano
Hi Phil,
I too notice tuning issues and the phasing sound when notes were held.
This maybe deliberate as the phasing didn't sound digital, plus, they
seem to have chosen a piece of music that had a lot of held chords almost
pointing out the phasing quality.
The imperfections made it sound like a real piano.
I also slightly detune instruments in my horn section to create a more
believable horn section sound.
The problem with some of these other pianos, is they sometimes sound too
pure, all real pianos have their faults whether it be tuning issues or just
that the notes resonate too long...
I could hear the body of this piano like someone was sitting at it, not
triggering it from a mother keyboard.
One other thing I liked about this piano when taking a quick look at
spec, it isn't 70GB like the Quantum Leap Piano, I believe this virtual piano
is only 6GB.
That's my personal take on it, the question is, is Phil still smiling ha
ha.
Seriously Phil, I must thank you for your work with Superior, had a
storming gig last Week and the dance floor had people on it from the second
song of the night.
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Muir
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:18 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Amazing virtaul piano
Wasn't epersonally that impressed with this myself. It didn't entirely
sound in tune. I could hear a slight phasing on the notes and as for the 6th
D, it's frankly, out of tune.
Regards, Phil Muir
Accessibility Training
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UK +44-1747-821-794
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Wicketts
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:05 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Amazing virtaul piano
Wow Kevin,
If I hadn't been told that it was a Virtual piano, I would have just
excepted that it was a quality recorded piano.
There's some great products that work with Kontakt, such ashame these
companies don't have these products using Dimension Pro.
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Gibbs
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:45 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Amazing virtaul piano
No idea whetehr this is accessible. It does sound amazing.
Kevin,
http://www.artvista.net/Virtual_Grand_Piano.html
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