[ddots-l] Re: the mysterious world of mastering
- From: "Steve Wicketts" <steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 23:22:18 -0000
Hi George,
That was a true gem of a program.
I was shocked to hear that Stevie collected a sound engineering award on
behalf of Malcolm Cecil or Robert Margouleff and didn't mention the guys
that had done such a great job on the album by name.
and when you think that Stevie Wonder will thank the Sun for shining and
flowers for blooming when he goes off on one at an award ceremony.
He always struck me as very talented yet very very odd.
For those who haven't heard the program I've posted a little info about it
below...
You may not have heard of Malcolm Cecil or Robert Margouleff but you'll
certainly be familiar with their work. These two electronic music boffins
helped
transform Little Stevie Wonder in to one of the greatest song writers in pop
music. They produced and engineered four albums that are widely regarded as
"Stevie's classic period." Four albums that featured his most enduring songs
such as Living For the City, Superstition, Higher Ground and You Are the
Sunshine
of My Life. Stevie was at the height of his creative powers but Margouleff
and Cecil were his sonic architects, steering him away from the bubble gum
pop
sound of Motown. Central to Margouleff and Cecil's production style was
their creation, TONTO. The Original New Timbral Orchestra was a huge,
room-sized
super-synthesiser developed with the express purpose of making this new,
intimidating technology work together as a giant electronic ensemble.
Margouleff
and Cecil manipulated its futuristic controls, while Stevie played its
keyboards. The results turned out to be timeless. Their pioneering
electronic developments
in sound and production proved hugely influential to black popular music in
the 1970s. As well as Stevie Wonder, Margouleff and Cecil have worked with
a whole host of big name artists such as The Isley Brothers, Gil
Scott-Heron, George Harrison and Devo. So why have you never heard of them?
Broadcaster
and fan Stuart Maconie investigates their story and argues we should be
celebrating these forgotten men of pop instead of consigning them to Rock
'n' Roll's
backroom staff. Contributors include Robert Margouleff, Malcolm Cecil, Pete
Townshend, Michael Sembello, Steve Hillage and music historian Mark Sinker.
Steve W not Stevie W lol
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:59 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: the mysterious world of mastering
If I hadn't been such a luddite, I'd have given you all the link to
"Stevies Wonder Men" on BBC's iPlayer. It will be there for 7 days
only.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00w7bly
George.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: 30 November 2010 17:54
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: the mysterious world of mastering
Did anyone hear the Program on Radio 4 around mid-day today about this
subject in general? They had some early analogue synthesiser clips
too. Quite fascinating - even for a luddite like me!
George.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Burgess
Sent: 30 November 2010 17:15
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: the mysterious world of mastering
I'e talked to a few mastering engineers at seminars and the like and
asked
this exact question. The answer they've all given me is to talk to
the
engineer you're working with to see what he likes to be given.
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
Raised Bar Ltd
Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822
Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology
at
http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm
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[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Shawn Brock
Sent: 30 November 2010 16:48
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] the mysterious world of mastering
I'm always the first to say, I don't know when it comes to answering
most
questions about mastering. And it seems that the longer I live, the
less I
know. You would think it would be the opposite right?
Mastering has never been my cup of tee, and that aint ever going to
change
as far as I can see. Its a lot like great visual art, I have a great
appreciation for it, but I know my talents lie elsewhere.
I was reading back through several years of Sound On Sound Magazine,
and
found some articles from great engineers who make a living on both
sides of
the fence, those who record and mix, and those who master.
My reason for reading up on this is because the mixing of my record is
complete, and the mastering session will take place on December 13th.
Its been a long time sense I was the party responsible for delivering
files
to a mastering house, and I see the game has changed, or maybe it
hasn't.
I'm working with Robert Hadley and Doug Sax of The Mastering Lab Inc
www.themasteringlab.com
The credits and knowledge these men possess of there craft is quite
astounding! Needless to say, this is costing me a fare price, and I
want to
give them the best product I can to work with...
Anyhow, in the interest of providing the best possible files to them,
I
wonder if any of you have any tips?
I'm uploading split stereo 24-96 files to them a week in advance, and
will
also be taking the files down on a hard drive.
My questions are all about the meter. When I look at the master
busses
output meter, my objective has been to get it to stay below 0. You
know how
it goes, you start mixing on a tune, add some compression, turn the
kick up,
and bla bla bla. The next thing you know, the output meter is
bouncing
between minus 4 and plus 2... So in your collective opinions, what
kind of
output numbers do you like to see on a tune that's ready for
mastering?
I don't want to go to the point of obsession, and line A Coleman Audio
2-channel VU meter into my chain, like David Rideau does... But I
want the
mastering house to have the best product they can get from me.
Any thoughts and advice is always appreciated.
Shawn
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