[duxuser] Re: Lines breaking in Duxbury

From: <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 16:12:55 +0100

Hi Kathy,

The problem occurs when a number is split over 2 lines.

If you look at David’s screen shot below, you will see the dot 5
continuation indicator at the end of the line where the number occurs.

The difficulty here is that following Section 6.10 of the UEB Rules, DBT is
technically correct.

I would respectfully suggest that to reduce, or ideally eliminate human
intervention, that perhaps ICEB could define the words “space is saved”.  Or
should Duxbury simply have a default option which treats numbers (below a
certain length perhaps) as it would treat a normal word, and therefore wrap
to the next line?

George

From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf
Of Riessen, Kathy (SA School for Vision Impaired)
Sent: 24 October 2020 02:59
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Lines breaking in Duxbury

David,

are you able to attach the word and DBT files of your examples. I can't
recreate your problem, so there must be something happening at your end.

Which version of DBT are  you using?

Kathy Riessen

ICEB Code Maintenance Officer,
Coordinator Accessible Format Production
South Australian School for Vision Impaired
Tel: 08 8277 5255
Email: Kathleen.Riessen440@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:Kathleen.Riessen440@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

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Subject: [duxuser] Re: Lines breaking in Duxbury

Thank you Kathy and George. I usually use a hard space in phone numbers, for
example, but never between numbers.

I’m doing a Financial Report and there are pages and pages of number lists
and some (not all, thank goodness) have split on the line.

Attached below is another example I’ve noticed where the 8.00% breaks.

In the numbers, eg 88,888, I tried substituting the comma with a Q code
(q~1) but while that stopped the number breaking, it put a number symbol
before the following number.

We’ll keep plugging away at it, and will let you know if we find an answer.

David Smith

Accessible Formats Specialist

Blind Low Vision NZ

Kāpō, Matarehu Aotearoa

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4 Maunsell Road, Parnell

Auckland 1052

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<duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On
Behalf Of Riessen, Kathy (SA School for Vision Impaired)
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 11:01 pm
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Lines breaking in Duxbury

I couldn't recreate your problem David, but then opened the files you
attached. The problem lies in the fact that you have put hard spaces between
the numbers, so DBT sees the all the numbers as a single string. If you
replace each of the hard spaces with a simple space, DBT will then see each
number as a single item and the problem is solved.

Hard spaces ['] in DBT or ctrl-shift-space are needed where a space is used
to show thousands and thousandths, or the break in a telephone number. But
where there is a string of separate numbers a simple space between them
should be used so they are each considered an individual item.

Kathy

Kathy Riessen

ICEB Code Maintenance Officer,
Coordinator Accessible Format Production
South Australian School for Vision Impaired
Tel: 08 8277 5255
Email:  <mailto:Kathleen.Riessen440@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Kathleen.Riessen440@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 11:44
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Subject: [duxuser] Lines breaking in Duxbury

Hello Everyone,

The example below shows a string of numbers in a list that are breaking in
the middle of a number. Does anybody know a quick reliable way of stopping
this happening? Thank you in advance.

David Smith

Accessible Formats Specialist

Blind Low Vision NZ

Kāpō, Matarehu Aotearoa

P:  | E:  <mailto:dsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> dsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

4 Maunsell Road, Parnell

Auckland 1052

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