I agree with Kaari I prefer to "braille" braille than use ASCII code, I find it easier as I am also a quicker braillist than typist. Also, you know exactly what you are getting in the braille file hence don't have to use as many DBT codes, I find it all more WYSIWYG, ... after all the finished output is a braille file!!. Alan -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Howard Traxler Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:30 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Regular keyboard "six-key" versus braille notetaker I beg to differ: After awhile, using braille contractions becomes automatic, but the ACSII code just doesn't. For some (such as myself) typing those symbols does come natural; And the word is ASCII. Howard Traxler -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kaari Parrish Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:33 PM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Regular keyboard "six-key" versus braille notetaker I'd like to answer this as a formerly sighted person. ASCII braille is the world's worst pain in the butt to type. The file may end up identical but the entry method sure isn't. Remembering to use an "e r" contraction is fine, but now I'm also supposed to remember that an "e r" is a percent sign? Or is it a dollar sign? Or a slash? I have obviously forgotten. After awhile, using braille contractions becomes automatic, but the ACSII code just doesn't. Example: Your can was on the shelf. In ACSII braille, it's comma y r c zero on exclamation mark percent sign e l f 4. I'm sorry, but I was never able to learn to read that, much less type, edit, and proofread. That's why we like 6-key entry. Kaari -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Susan Jolly Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:13 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Regular keyboard "six-key" versus braille notetaker I STILL don't understand why sighted persons who already know how to use a standard keyboard don't learn to do direct entry braille using ASCII Braille. Simulated braille dots are hard on the visual system and simulated "six-key" typing using standard keyboard keys can be hard on the hands. You can enter braille as ASCII Braille using any text editor or word processor and then just change the font if you want to see the dots. Six-key typing and full keyboard typing are just two different ways of entering the same electronic information into a computer. The resulting file is identical. SusanJ * * * * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive * is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com * * * * * * * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive * is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com * * * ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ********************************************************************** * * * * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive * is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com * * *