Hi George et al, I am using win 98 system with DBT 10.3 with ms word. I have tried to download Swifter from the web page shown in the below message with no success. Short of upgrading to DBT 10.4 where else might I find this utility? Albert Sanchez Amateur Radio Call Sign: W A 7 F X B / 4 Al's Piano Tuning & Repair (703) 933-9303 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bell" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To : <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Ben Blagg" <bblagg@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:36 AM Subject: [duxuser] Re: Another item for the wish list > Hi Ben, > > I'll answer on list for the benefit of others interested. > > If you have DBT 10.4, then look for a file called DBT2.dot in the > c:\duxbury folder. There should also be a DBTW.DOC file which explains > how to install and run it. > > If you don't have 10.4, then you can get download earlier version from > http://www.duxburysystems.com/freeware.asp > > George Bell > Techno-Vision Systems Ltd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Blagg [mailto:bblagg@xxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: 29 January 2003 11:51 > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Another item for the wish list > > > > > > George, write to me off list and tell me more about Swift, > > where to get it and how to install it. thanks. > > > > Ben > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Bell" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:31 AM > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Another item for the wish list > > > > > > > Hi Juanita, > > > > > > I think the simple answer is, that if it works for you, > > stay with it. > > > > > > As regards Tutorials for Word, there are many good ones in the > > > bookshops. My own favourite is "Running Word 2000" by > > Charles Ruben, > > > available from Microsoft Press (ISBN 1-57231-943-7) > > > > > > Although it's a 900 odd page tombe, costing $39.99, I found it is > > > worth every hard earned cent. > > > > > > George Bell > > > Techno-Vision Systems Ltd > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jhawley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Jhawley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > Sent: 27 January 2003 16:15 > > > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Another item for the wish list > > > > > > > > > > > > George, > > > > I have had to teach myself to use Duxbury and Braille over the > > > > years. I am a sighted aide and would like to know if there is a > > > > tutorial for Word for Windows > > > > to Duxbury. Since my new update of Duxbury, which I love, I > > > > found it is easier > > > > to just work there and print directly from it. Am I doing > > all of this > > > > incorrectly? (Setting up tests and worksheets for > > teachers). Juanita > > > > > > > > Quoting George Bell <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > > > > > I should stress that what I am about to say, mainly > > applies to the > > > > > large number of sighted DBT users, for whom braille may > > be just a > > > > > small part of their organisations daily work. > > > > > > > > > > If it were only practical, possible and above all, > > affordable, I'm > > > > > sure Duxbury would ideally like to buy in some kind of > > > > licence for a > > > > > top end > > > > > Word Processor. > > > > > > > > > > My own attitude, which has developed over many years, is > > > > that the vast > > > > > majority of editors in braille programs are just that - > > > > editors. They > > > > > are for final last minute tweaking. > > > > > > > > > > As DBT has evolved, especially over the last year or > > two, I have > > > > > tended to use Word for Windows as my primary > > preparation program. > > > > > > > > > > One of the main reasons for this, is that Word is so > > > > commonly used in > > > > > the non-braille world, that it is much easier for me to > > > > develop a DBT > > > > > user's existing Word skills, than try to teach them the > > > > intricacies, > > > > > foibles and nuances of DBT's editor and codes right from the > > > > > outset. > > > > > > > > > > Given a well formatted Word document, one can be in and out of > > > > > DBT, and have the embosser rattling away in a relatively short > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > Our biggest challenge when we run training courses, is to teach > > > > > the proper use of Word itself. Styles and Templates being the > > > > area where > > > > > most people get stuck. However, it is highly > > gratifying to hear > > > > > students commenting on how much more efficient their daily > > > > use of Word > > > > > has become as a result. Once they begin to understand such > > > > things in > > > > > Word, when it is applied to braille, again it is more easily > > > > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > One embosser manufacturer's tag phrase is, "We make it easy > > > > to produce > > > > > braille". That's exactly what I aim to do when we are training > > > > > people, especially those new to braille. > > > > > > > > > > Contrary to popular opinion, braille is not exactly rocket > > > > > science. So let's try and keep as much mystery out of it as > > > > > possible, and make braille more easily and readily > > available for > > > > > its readers. > > > > > > > > > > George Bell > > > > > Techno-Vision Systems Ltd > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Steve Dresser [mailto:s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > Sent: 24 January 2003 21:17 > > > > > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Another item for the wish list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday 1/24/03 12:30 George Bell wrote: > > > > > > >However, where do we draw the line between a braille > > > > > > >translation package and a word processor? > > > > > > I know what you're saying, George, but that line was obscured > > > > > > the minute an editor became part of DBTW. > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. > > > > > > * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > > > > > > * unsubscribe > > > > > > * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. 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