Hello everyone, This is a notice to let all of you know that my EMD/EBD proposal draft has been posted to the IBIS-AMI web site: http://www.vhdl.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ You can find it under the "Work Archive" section dated 15-Aug-2008. This was done to complete my AR from the last teleconference on Walter's request. However, instead of just posting the document I shared on the screen I posted a more updated version for several reasons. First, the document we used in the last meeting was very sketchy in many ways, and I felt I had to make improvements on it to avoid mass confusion and embarrassing myself. Second, I came up with a pretty clever idea as I was working on my cleanup efforts, and I thought I might as well share that for our upcoming meeting in advance so that people who are following this discussion could come prepared to the meeting... To sum up the clever idea, it allows what Mike L. called using the "black box" approach, i.e. we don't need to know what the terminal names are in the underlying models/subcircuits, while it still preserves the layout tool's database format concept so that file/format conversions would not be necessary to turn that into an electrical netlist. I will explain how this works in the next meeting, but if you read the uploaded document carefully, you should understand how it works. This approach will also enable us to use IBIS and ICM models together even for the more complicated situations (one to many or many to one pins and pads), such as the one shown on Figure 12 of the IBIS specification. I wrote a fairly complete example at the end of the document to illustrate how this would work. I was able to show with the example how a stacked die device described by regular IBIS models could be used together with an ICM package model. In summary, I am pretty excited about this and I hope it would be useful in solving many of our problems. Of course, it is not a finished proposal yet, you may find a lot of unfinished or missing details, but I hope this will serve as a good start. Thanks, Arpad ================================================================