Hi Arpad, The BIRD surely bridges a gap that was very important as almost every package needs to be an s-parameter model at MGH. However, it seems that the BIRD requires the user to always specify one sub-circuit for the whole package. So, if the package had 8, 16, or 100 pins then the user needs to provide a 16, 32, or 200 terminal subckt, respectively. We always get package models as models for single pins or diff-pin(s). I think we should extend the BIRD to include subcircuits per pin (and per-diff-pin) and may be cover cases where several smaller sub circuits can be assigned to subsets of the package pins. Another minor thing is that we are forcing the user to wrap s-parameter files into ISS - Not sure if the syntax should allow direct s-parameter instantiation. This is a surely not a big issue. rgds ..kukal Taranjit Kukal | Product Engineering Architect P: 91 120 3984000 www.cadence.com<http://www.cadence.com/>