Thanks Walter, I agree on both counts there - however, not sure if the text reflects our understanding. -Ambrish. Ambrish Varma | Member of Consulting Staff P: 978.262.6431 www.cadence.com -----Original Message----- From: Walter Katz [mailto:wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:33 PM To: Ambrish Varma; 'IBIS-ATM' Subject: RE: [ibis-macro] Re: IBIS-ATM teleconference - Agenda for 1/11/2011 Ambrish, (root(ffe(-1 is an AMI parameter as it would be passed into the parameters_in string The second case of multiple parameters with the same name should be illegal. Walter -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ambrish Varma Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:28 PM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: IBIS-ATM teleconference - Agenda for 1/11/2011 Hi Arpad, Thanks for posting this draft. I have a couple of quick questions about some of the text on page 4 where you say: |* A branch in the .ami file is an "AMI Parameter" if it |* contains the leaves Type, Usage, and any of the following |* leaves: So in this example: (Model_Specific (ffe (Description "FFE taps") (-1 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 0.0) (Description "precursor")) (0 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 1.0) (Description "main cursor")) (1 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 0.0) (Description "post-cursor")) ) ) is ffe an AMI Parameter or is -1 an AMI parameter? Also - down the page it is mentioned: |* and does not contain another branch. Multiple leaves |* containing the same reserved word are not allowed within an |* AMI Parameter branch. But what about multiple sub-branches having the same name? For example: (Model_Specific (Main_Param (Param1 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 0.0)) (Param1 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 1.0)) (Param1 (Usage In) (Type Float) (Value 0.0)) ) ) I recently saw this in an .ami file. We can talk about this during the ATM teleconference call if you want. Thanks, Ambrish. Ambrish Varma | Member of Consulting Staff P: 978.262.6431 www.cadence.com -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:24 PM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: IBIS-ATM teleconference - Agenda for 1/11/2011 Pressed the Send button instead of the Attach button... Sorry, Arpad ========================================================= -----Original Message----- From: Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:23 AM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: RE: [ibis-macro] IBIS-ATM teleconference - Agenda for 1/11/2011 Attaching new version of Typos BIRD draft to be discussed in today's meeting. Arpad =========================================== -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:22 AM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] IBIS-ATM teleconference - Agenda for 1/11/2011 Time: January 11, 2011 Noon US Pacific Time ===== Audio: ====== Voice dial-in: (800) 637-5822 International: +1 (647) 723-3937 <--- (For Canada) 0114501530 <--- (For Sweden) 0201400572 <--- (For Sweden Toll Free) 069509594672 <--- (For Germany) 08001014542 <--- (For Germany Toll free) Access Code: 685-0440 Web === Click Here to Join Live Meeting: http://tinyurl.com/yvmesj or: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/sisoft/join?id=NKQQN3&role=attend&pw=TP8j %23-%25%7E5 Mentor Global Crossing Teleconference commands: http://www.globalcrossing.com/customer/collaboration/cust_ready_access_t ips.aspx FIRST TIME USERS: To save time before the meeting, check your system to make sure it is compatible with Microsoft Office Live Meeting. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda ====== 1) Opens 2) Call for any related patent disclosures 3) Review of ARs: Arpad: Update the Typos BIRD draft according to the comments received - done Bob: Start email discussion on leaf/parameter name interchangeability - not done Arpad: Finish examples in BIRD 116-118 presentation - in progress Any AR-s? Old ARs: Arpad: Review the documentation (annotation) in the macro libraries. - deferred until a demand arises or we have nothing else to do 4) Typos_Format_Value_Default BIRD draft - added "(defined below)" for Default - added words to disallow duplicate leaves in the same branch - removed the "graceful" stuff - moved editorial notes on the bottom to background information 5) BIRD 116-118 - Arpad's analog model BIRDs 6a) BIRD 123 - jitter parameters 6b) BIRD 124 - dependency table Remaining Task List items: ========================== Row 18: What is the ambiguity between Format and Text Strings? - waiting for an answer Row 21: According to the BNF, the Format = Table syntax is invalid. - If Format is removed, this s not a problem, but if Format is there the problem still exists. Do we need to fix this? - we will address this when talking about Table Row 22: The syntax for a leaf is: (Row 22 in Task List) <leaf>: ( <parameter name> whitespace <value list> ) So in a Table which is written like this: (-50 -0.1 1e-35), -50 is actually a parameter name, i.e. a string, not a value. -deprecate Table back to List? - we will address this when talking about Table Row 23/24: Fix the two tables to reflect what is in the text - need someone to volunteer to write a BIRD - Bob agreed to do this after the Asian Summit Row 25: Define relationship between Type and Format - discuss Walter's suggestions - need someone to volunteer to write a BIRD Row 26: What is Row 26 all about? Is it the same as Row 47? - waiting for an answer Row 33: Is AMI_Init restricted to change first column of impulse_matrix only? - this needs to be discussed Row 35: Clarify questions about impulse response - this needs to be discussed Row 38: Clarify Fangyi's questions on Usage Row 46/47: Remove certain parameters and keywords - this needs to be discussed Thanks, Arpad ===================================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe