[ibis-macro] Re: Jitter BIRD issues, and Buffer Tstonefile Issues

  • From: "Walter Katz" <wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <Arpad_Muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx>, "'IBIS-ATM'" <ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 07:14:42 -0500 (EST)

Arpad,

 

Minor point, the ISS subckt is incorrect, S parameter instance does not
reference Tstonefile, it references a .model that references the
Tstonefile (see below).

 

Otherwise the syntax you propose (additional 11 lines to parse, 7 keywords
in .ibs file, and additional ISS subckt file) will work, but do not add
any information that is already in the three keywords in the .ami file. 

 

What is the advantage of your solution over the simple solution that is
proposed in BIRD 122 for AMI models that want to reference Tstonfiles as
the analog model?

 

Walter

 

.SUBCKT AMI_Sdrv 

+ A_signal_pos A_signal_neg 

+ my_driveP my_driveN my_ref 

+ TSFile="DefaultTouchstoneFileName.s4p" 

Sdriver my_driveP A_signal_pos my_driveN A_signal_neg my_ref 

+ MNAME=TSFile 

+ [FBASE = base_frequency] [FMAX=maximum_frequency] 

****************************************************************** 

.ends

 

It should be:

 

.SUBCKT AMI_Sdrv 

+ A_signal_pos A_signal_neg 

+ my_driveP my_driveN my_ref 

+ TSFile="DefaultTouchstoneFileName.s4p" 

+ MNAME=XXX 

*

* S element model name contains Tstonefile

Sdriver my_driveP A_signal_pos my_driveN A_signal_neg my_ref 

.MODEL

+ MNAME= XXX

+ Tstonefile= TSFile

+ [FBASE = base_frequency] [FMAX=maximum_frequency] 

 

****************************************************************** 

.ends

 

 

 

 

From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:33 AM
To: IBIS-ATM
Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Jitter BIRD issues, and Buffer Tstonefile Issues

 

Walter,

 

Under 3b below, you requested an implementation of your

example with the syntax of my analog BIRDs.  Please

review the attached PDF file in which I attempted to

fulfill your request.  I hope I understood your example

correctly.

 

Comments/questions are appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

Arpad

==========================================================

 

From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter Katz
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:31 PM
To: IBIS-ATM
Subject: [ibis-macro] Jitter BIRD issues, and Buffer Tstonefile Issues

 

All,

 

The remaining major issue is the handling of Rx_Rj, Rx_DCD, and Rx_Sj.

1.       It has been requested that Rx_Dj be added.

2.       First a discussion on how the Rx clock is handled in the
following two cases

a.       Time Domain

                                                               i.      Rx
AMI_GetWave returns clock ticks in *clock_times.

b.      Statistical

                                                               i.      Rx
AMI_GetWave does not return clock ticks in *clock_times.

                                                             ii.
Using Rx AMI_Init

3.       The current BIRD 123 states that Rx_Rj, Rx_DCD, and Rx_Sj shall
be applied to both Time Domain and Statistical methods.

a.       In Time Domain, Rx_Rj, Rx_DCD, and Rx_Sj can be applied to times
in clock_times, statistically to the clock_times PDF, or statistically to
the persistent eye.

b.      In Statistical, Rx_Rj, Rx_DCD, and Rx_Sj are combined
statistically along with Rx_Clock_PDF, Rx_Clock_Recovery_Rj,
Rx_Clock_Recovery_DCD, and Rx_Clock_Recovery_Sj.

4.       It has been suggested that Rx_Rj, Rx_DCD, and Rx_Sj shall apply
to just Time Domain.

a.       In Time Domain, Rx_Rj, Rx_DCD, and Rx_Sj can be applied to times
in clock_times, statistically to the clock_times PDF, or statistically to
the persistent eye.

b.      In Statistical, only Rx_Clock_PDF, Rx_Clock_Recovery_Rj,
Rx_Clock_Recovery_DCD, and Rx_Clock_Recovery_Sj are applied.

 

Regarding Tstonefile.

1.       Fangyi and I agreed the there is no requirement that S12=S21, and
that S21 can be small or zero.

2.       Fangyi and I agreed that the input to the Tx, and the output of
the Rx S element be isolated with a unit gain amplifier (E element) as in
the following example of a Tx Tstonefile wrapped in an ISS subckt:

a.  .subckt Intrinsic_Tstonefile_Tx DieP PadP DieN PadN file='NA'

b.  * Port order of Touchstone file is DieP PadP DieN PadN

c.  E_H EDieP 0 VCVS DieP 0 1.

d.  E_L EdieM 0 VCVS DieN 0 1.

e.  S1 EDieP PadP EDieN PadN 0 mname=A 

f.  .model A TSTONEFILE=file 

g.  .ends Intrinsic_Tstonefile_Tx

3.       There are now three proposals to implement Tstonefile in .ibs
and/or .ami files.

a.       BIRD 120 proposes the following example, where  (Voh-Vol) = Peak
to Peak voltage swing:

 
i.      (Tstonefile (List "xwc.s4p" "wc.s4p" "nc.s4p" "bc.s4p" "xwc.s4p") 

 
ii.      (Usage Info) (Type String) 

 
iii.      (Description "Extreme Worst, Worst, Nominal, Best, Extreme
Best"))

 
iv.      (Vol  (Value 0.) (Usage Info)(Type Float))

 
v.      (Voh (Range 1 .3 1.2) (Usage Info)(Type Float))

b.      There are a number of BIRDs submitted by Arpad and Ambrish. I have
requested that the above example be implemented using the syntax proposed
in these alternative BIRDs.

 

Walter

 

 

Walter Katz

wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx

Phone 303.449-2308

Mobile 720.333-1107

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