The licenses are to run app and VPN level software. Something similar to apple remote desktop but more accessible. to train a user, you need audio feedback of their voiceover interface, direct keyboard control of the whole environment and a project management interface to set up client interface integration and management. Please don't even suggest bonjour as it doesn't support WAN level integration. simple as that. We have investegated a number of methods and can openly confirm a solution but because of their yearly costs, it's not something that can be implemented unless LogMeIn Corp want to become interested partners to this site. remember one thing on this list and this is what we're fighting to support. there are users on this list with not only sight impairments but also multiple learning difficulties or multi-disciplin disabilities where our support can be better applied to giving the best we can with direct interaction. all of us on this bard are scattered around the 4 corners of the world, remember that. lew On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:18, David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > pshawww. we don't need licences to train. > > On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Edward Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > OK. if users want 1-1 training, everyone here contact LogMeIn support and > explain that Mac For The Blind requires a license of LogMeIn Central and > LogMeIn Pro so that specialists can train users on this site as well as > diagnostics and emergency work, so that John P and myself can carry out the > work we should be able to do if Apple hadn't screwed up on iMessage by > killing off the functionality that had been available in iChat. > > Sorry, enough's enough. conversation CLOSED! > > lew > Edward Lewis Redfern > Moderator / Support > ℅ Mac For The Blind > > On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:09, David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >> Ah, if you want one on one traiing, by all means, it can be done. >> >> I'm not arguing, arguing means that you feel you need to make a point and >> I'm not trying to do that. >> >> On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Edward Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> I'm not arguing any case any further. anyone on this list by following >> simple instructions can achieve this. Come on guys, seriously. I'm sorry if >> I sound harsh. We don't have certain facilities within this group to perform >> training on a 1-1 basis and we're trying to get that implemented. >> >> the instructions give step by step access, guidance, etc. if anything >> doesn't work right, ask me and I'm there. simple as that. there's a good few >> other techies here unless they've jumped ship which I'm not keeping tabs on >> yet. but with this, simple support is there. >> >> lew >> >> On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:01, David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> >>> indeed you have but you have the capability to pull this off and many of us >>> do not and my method works just as well with less complication. >>> >>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Edward Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> David, if you actually took the time to read the post and instructions in >>> it's entirety you would realise that what you've just done is tell a user >>> conflicting info. Advising a user to boot into recovery console mode and >>> doing a 3x pass disk erase is not necessary. unless it's a security >>> requirement. that means on a 5400rpm disk that's approx 2 hours messing >>> around. If you realised that downloading and building a pen drive or >>> external HDD toolkit saved you approx 1.5 hours of download and server >>> connection time, a wired ethernet connection in it's first instance, etc. >>> this is a safer, more stable and faster method which I've deployed across >>> several workstations, servers and more. besides the use of Server within OS >>> X to deploy installations. >>> >>> the other conflict you're applying is the fact that doing this is only an >>> instance recovery to the CURRENT OS installed and NOT an upgrade instance >>> which you have to purchase, install and then allow it to update EFI boot >>> for the newer version. >>> >>> lew >>> >>> On 23 Oct 2013, at 14:46, David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> if you want to do a fresh install as opposed to the upgrade which this >>>> post recommends you do which I disagree with, do the following: >>>> 1> open the recovery console with command-r right after the start up chime. >>>> 2> turn vo on after a bit, because it will be off. command f5 will be >>>> sufficient. >>>> 3> choose disc utility and erace your hd partition with ml on it three >>>> passes will be enough. >>>> 4> When this is done, choose the install macosx from the table and follow >>>> the instructions and you'll have a clean install. >>>> one caviot, you may need a hardwired connection to start the process >>>> because it has been my experience that forst, it's a large download and >>>> second, wifi may not be available through recovery. >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Kim Kilpatrick <kimjkilpatrick@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi I'm a bit confused here. >>>> When I installed the mac upgrade software last summer, I just installed it. >>>> I had backed up files first but I did not do all of the things with an >>>> external drive etc? >>>> Why do I have to do this? >>>> Can't I just install it like an update? >>>> Kim >>>> >>>> On 2013-10-23, at 6:27 AM, Edward Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ladies and gentlemen (In the style of Kraftwerk's Vocoder) >>>>> >>>>> I'm going to write this primer today on performing a new installation of >>>>> Mavericks. With this article, I'll be covering how to perform a media >>>>> creation setup and a clean install. >>>>> >>>>> Before I do this, I am going to stress the following very carefully so >>>>> that I have no contradictions to deal with. >>>>> >>>>> 1: I do not recommend an upgrade over a current OS as there are certain >>>>> tested and known errors with certain previous software. >>>>> >>>>> WHAT YOU'LL NEED >>>>> >>>>> an 8GB or higher USB pen drive or an external hard drive with a spare >>>>> partition you can create as a bootable partition. >>>>> OS X Mavericks 10.9 available from the app store. (THIS IS FREE!) >>>>> Latest versions of Garageband, iMovie and iPhoto from iTunes (garageband >>>>> is free) >>>>> Latest Versions of Pages, Numbers & Keynote (Neither are free updates) >>>>> *Free with purchase of new mac / iOS product* >>>>> Server V3 (if you require a server. if you have purchased server for >>>>> mountain lion, you still have to pay the upgrade cost) >>>>> (These items can be purchased on the app store and then moved to a drive >>>>> as a backup or purchased and installed into Mavericks) >>>>> >>>>> Firstly your preparations: >>>>> >>>>> As mentioned above, you're going to need a bootable external drive. I >>>>> highly advise against a DVD instance of this installer as it's remarkably >>>>> slow. >>>>> >>>>> If using a pen drive, 8gb or more is required as a boot instance for the >>>>> software and any necessary extras. >>>>> *if creating an extra partition on a USB or other external HDD I advise a >>>>> 20gb partition size or there abouts. this covers upgrades / partition >>>>> rewrites / extra tools to keep available as your emergency toolkit* >>>>> >>>>> GET READY TO CREATE YOUR STORAGE MEDIA FOR MAVERICKS!… >>>>> >>>>> 1: connect your USB pen drive or external hard drive, etc to your mac. >>>>> 2: Launch Disk utility. (Macintosh HD/Applications/Utilities) >>>>> PEN DRIVE METHOD: >>>>> Select your pen drive in the "Selected Disks" window in disk utility and >>>>> tab to the erase tab. >>>>> interact with the partition type combo box and select Mac OS X Extended >>>>> Journaled. >>>>> Name your Pen drive OS X. >>>>> tab to the erase button and enter on it. confirm erase and your pen drive >>>>> is ready. >>>>> >>>>> HARD DRIVE METHOD: >>>>> This is for anyone who, like me uses an external hard drive as a tool box >>>>> with multiple partitions. >>>>> Select your hard drive in disk utility's "Selected disks" window. don't >>>>> select the partitions if there's more than 1. select the controller name >>>>> as disk utility shows a tree view method. EXAMPLE. Seagate Corp: >>>>> (controller) /disk-0= DATA, /disk-1= files. etc. Select the "Seagate >>>>> Corp" as an example. this may differ completely to each drive. >>>>> tab to the "Partition" tab. this now gives you the ability to include and >>>>> resize partitions. what you need to do here is include a partition by >>>>> interacting with the Add button found at the bottom of the partition >>>>> scheme window (this shows partitions as blocks with names and resize >>>>> handles) With your new partition, create it as a 20gb partition and name >>>>> it OS X. ensure it's formatted as OS X extended Journaled. >>>>> tab to the Apply button to write the partition map. This is the best and >>>>> only safe way to do this. if you use the partition combo box at the top, >>>>> this wipes the whole map and creates new partition schemes so unless your >>>>> drive's clean of any unwanted data, do not use the partition combo box at >>>>> the top of the partition map. >>>>> >>>>> QUIT DISK UTILITY! This is so you don't make any mistakes! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK, hard bit's nearly over. Now for the fun stuff! >>>>> >>>>> Assuming you've downloaded your OS X Mavericks from the App Store, do the >>>>> following: >>>>> (Once OS X has downloaded it launches the install window. QUIT IT) >>>>> 1: go to your applications folder in your hard drive (example: Macintosh >>>>> HD/applications.) Find the file Install OS X Mavericks.app. >>>>> 2: Perform the following key combo: Control Option Shift M (VO Shift M or >>>>> right click context menu) on this file and enter on "Show Package >>>>> Contents. >>>>> 3: You are presented with a window with 1 folder "Contents". open this >>>>> window and go to a folder called "SharedSupport" open this folder and you >>>>> will have two items. the main item to concern yourself with is the file >>>>> "InstallESD.DMG" open this file. this is now mounted in the finder and >>>>> also in disk utility. >>>>> >>>>> Now the file preparations are done. this is where you need to >>>>> concentrate carefully. >>>>> >>>>> 1: Run Disk utility (Macintosh HD/Applications/Utilities/) >>>>> 2: Navigate to the "Restore" tab. This is where you start the creation >>>>> process of your new installation media. >>>>> 3: navigate to your "Selected Disks" window. Here you'll find your OS X >>>>> drive you've created / named and also the installer. >>>>> 4: Select your "OS X" pen or external hard drive partition and do a VO >>>>> SHIFT M and go to Set as Destination" >>>>> 5: Select the "OS X Install ESD" volume which is under InstallESD.DMG in >>>>> the "Selected Disks" window. (window splitter indicates virtual disks). >>>>> perform the same process VO SHIFT M and this time "Select as source". >>>>> WARNING: This only works when you have the "Restore" tab selected. >>>>> WARNING: If both the "Source" and "Destination" fields show "OS X" or >>>>> "InstallESD.DMG" The restore process will not continue. If this occurs Do >>>>> the following: >>>>> IF SOURCE AND DESTINATION SHOW OS X, GO BACK TO "SELECTED DISKS" WINDOW, >>>>> SELECT OS X INSTALL ESD, VO SHIFT M. SET AS SOURCE THEN HIT ENTER. Please >>>>> confirm this by checking both fields. If it's the other way around, >>>>> reverse the procedure. >>>>> 6: Now that you have selected your source and destination, tab to the >>>>> "Restore" Button and hit enter. This comes up with a message asking you >>>>> to confirm you want to do so, tell it to continue and leave Disk utility >>>>> to write the source files to the drive you're using. >>>>> >>>>> FINALLY! >>>>> >>>>> Once disk utility has created your drive, your new recovery drive will >>>>> mount (this happens in most cases) and shows a window with your tools and >>>>> install source. quit disk utility, close your window. do any backups of >>>>> data either through time machine or manual backups, superduper or any >>>>> other tools you use and get ready to install Mavericks as a clean install. >>>>> >>>>> TO INSTALL MAVERICKS AS A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT: >>>>> >>>>> 1: reboot your mac. >>>>> 2: when the chime sounds, press "Option" If you're not happy or >>>>> comfortable with this, before you reboot your mac, go to system >>>>> preferences, go to the "STARTUP DISK" preference pane and select your OS >>>>> X or Mavericks or whatever it's been renamed to drive and ask it to >>>>> restart. >>>>> 3: When you're presented with the new installer, launch Voiceover with >>>>> Command F5 (FN command F5 for macbooks / macbook pro's in some instances) >>>>> 4: As a clean install, run Disk utility and select "Macintosh HD" (or >>>>> whatever you've called your system drive) and go to the "erase" tab. >>>>> erase "Macintosh HD, ensure your drive is being formatted as OS X >>>>> Extended Journaled and named Macintosh HD or whatever you like to call it >>>>> (some users with networked macs ID their drives to each machine as >>>>> machine name "Macbook HD" etc) >>>>> 5: Once your drive's formatted, quit disk utility (Command Q) and >>>>> continue the installation of OS X. within this environment, you'll be >>>>> asked to agree to terms, select the drive to install to (Macintosh HD), >>>>> etc and allow it to do it's thing. When your mac reboots, give it a few >>>>> seconds and press Command F5 to run voiceover. away you go. >>>>> >>>>> To ensure you get the best out of your setup, After installing OS X, >>>>> setting up your user account, iCloud and all the other good stuff, go to >>>>> the App Store and either purchase (if you haven't already done so before >>>>> doing your install) or download your new versions of garageband, iPhoto >>>>> and iMovie, iWork (Pages, Numbers & keynote) and if you're using your mac >>>>> as a server then Server V3 and XCode if you're a developer. let them >>>>> download and install. from there, it's a question of launching apps when >>>>> installed and setting them up as requested by the installers. >>>>> >>>>> When I get chance, I'll publish some suitable settings to make your mac >>>>> fully tuned. >>>>> >>>>> If you have issues with the process explained and require more support, >>>>> please email me at Edwardredfern@xxxxxxx >>>>> >>>>> Yours. 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