Lol I think the subject line could be changed by now, please. > -----Original Message----- > From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 15:29 > To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! > > So now I've got VO reset to the initial defaults. I'm going to look > around the VO utility and check out how things are set. > On Mar 6, 2012, at 6:38 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > > > you can reset vo by opening the vo utility with vo-f8 and activating > the reset all voiceover preferences menu item under the file menu. > > > > Slow down, read carefully, talk to apple, don't get frustrated. > Thousands of us are able to use vo just fine and you will be too as > soon as you *grasp* it. > > > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: > > > > Ok, so I have all the commanders turned off (including the touch-pad > commander). Same non-results. > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:21 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: > > > >> I have also tried with the keyboard commander and num-pad commanders > off with the same non-results. So it is the same with or without quick- > nav, keyboard or num-pad commanders. Is there a way of repairing or > reinstalling safari? VoiceOver? Is there a way of resetting either of > these to their default settings? Maybe I've mis-configured one or the > other into garbage. > >> On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:20 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > >> > >>> I wonder if somehow you are triggering quick nav? press the left > and right arrow keys together to toggle quick nav. make sure it is > turned off before you vo click show. > >>> > >>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:17 PM, "Julio C. Perez" > <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> > >>> No, this isn't working on my system at this time. I have had this > work in the not too distant past but it isn't working now. > >>> > >>> Is safari the only browser that works under the Mac OS with > voiceover? > >>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 8:02 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > >>> > >>>> vo right arrow after clicking show. > >>>> > >>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Weird and frustrating! In detail. > >>>> > >>>> 1. I select the link "voiceover basics". This takes me to a > content list with seven items. I can either navigate to one of those > links (lets say the "selecting a sigle item" link) or open the contents > list by interacting with it and then arrowing down to the link. In > either case, the result is the same. A list of "show" clickable items > appears which when clicked on does not display text information but > only changes the "show" option to a "hide" option. > >>>> > >>>> The VO-shift-up arrow WILL stop interacting with the current item > every time. I've also used the quick nab left-down arrow and the num- > pad #7. The problem is not with the interaction. The problem is that > the explanatory text never appears. or maybe it does but I don't know > where. > >>>> > >>>> I'm going to check with the Apple Accessibility folks and see what > they can add to the mix. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks to you and all for all of your help so far. > >>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:35 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> looking at this again, something weird is going on here because > are describing something you are interacting with and vo-shift-up arrow > should stop interacting. vo right and left arrow move through the > text. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> This exploration is yielding lots of new knowledge. I've now know > about the quick nab feature and how to use the various combination of > arrow keys to control safari operations. Unfortunately, my basic > original problem remains. Oh well. back to the front! > >>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 11:38 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> sorry, this is the stop interacting key and it sounded like you > were interacting with something. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If I press "cvo-shift-up arrow"Do you mean "command-VO-shift-up > arrow"? cause if I do this it has the effect of moving the VO cursor > up. > >>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 2:33 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> press cvo-shift-up arrow and then try vo-right. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> VO-left or right arrows only take me (line by line) to the top > or bottom of the object I'm interacting with. Either links to other > topics or groups. Not explanatory text. > >>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you vo space on the clickable item, try navigating right > with the VO and right arrow keys. See if that reveals anything for > you. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Take Care > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> John D. Panarese > >>>>>>>> Director > >>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind > >>>>>>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>>>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > >>>>>>>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:02 PM, "Julio C. Perez" > <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks John for the detailed clarification. I guess I did not > get it when David said it the first time. I can get back to the proper > window within the application by using the command-f2 twice. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Now I can get back to the issue I started this thread with. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So here I am in the help topic that is supposed to explain > how to select and deselect single and multiple items. I have here a > list of clickable objects that say "show" group with two items. When I > interact with the group, I find two clickable items within (as > expected). When I click on the "show" clickable, I expect to get to > some text or html window that explains how to do this. The only thing I > seem to find is that there now appears a "hide" clickable. Where do I > go to find the instructions for selecting or deselecting one or more > items? The window chooser command only gives me the "help" and > "utilities" child windows. Could this have something to do with the > navigational mode or something? > >>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The command-accent combination, which is the key below the > escape key, will cycle you through open windows in an application. > Command-tab cycles you through your open applications. For the help, > try the command-accent or David's suggestion of using the window > chooser menu with VO-F2 twice and then using the up and down arrows to > see a list of your currently open windows. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Take Care > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese > >>>>>>>>>> Director > >>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind > >>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 > >>>>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > >>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:36 PM, George B wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> hummmm what is a grave key, please?? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Tracy Duffy > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:32 > >>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> You can also try command along with the grav key. This will > move you from > >>>>>>>>>>> window to window within an application. At least it does in > Snowleopard. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember > that command > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:mac4theblind- > >>>>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27 > >>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to > the > >>>>>>>>>>> previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to > the other > >>>>>>>>>>> application windows or brings me back to the same VO > utilities window. > >>>>>>>>>>> If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I > only see one > >>>>>>>>>>> applications window available to choose from. Is one of > those other > >>>>>>>>>>> options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me > back to the > >>>>>>>>>>> topic I left? How does one switch to different windows > within an > >>>>>>>>>>> application window? > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> try command-tab twice. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> First of all command tab changes your application from one > to another > >>>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>> windows within a application. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:mac4theblind- > >>>>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44 > >>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Ok, here is an example.. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even > better > >>>>>>>>>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be > (and needs > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> be) understood by a neophyte. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window > where I'm > >>>>>>>>>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to > write > >>>>>>>>>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return > to the > >>>>>>>>>>> help > >>>>>>>>>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not > the help > >>>>>>>>>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this > simple > >>>>>>>>>>> switch > >>>>>>>>>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back > to the > >>>>>>>>>>> topic > >>>>>>>>>>> layer after linked layer? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about > before. > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> can you give us an example? I believe I know what you need > to do > >>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would > speed up > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> process having an example. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I > know I've > >>>>>>>>>>> missed! > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking > areas > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>>> weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" > clickable > >>>>>>>>>>> object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except > that it > >>>>>>>>>>> changes > >>>>>>>>>>> from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related > information > >>>>>>>>>>> get > >>>>>>>>>>> shown? What part of this process am I not getting? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in > >>>>>>>>>>> particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via > the > >>>>>>>>>>> provided > >>>>>>>>>>> help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for > >>>>>>>>>>> transplanted > >>>>>>>>>>> windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? 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