[python] Re: patent
- From: "25hz" <25hz@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <python@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:15:00 -0500
Actually, the IHPVA already has a bike/bent specific Wiki up and running.
THe information could likely be added to that and then there might be a
better chance at the site's longevity?
> > Whe should really do a bike design wiki site
>
> I can set up a wiki on one of my domains, else I can help setting up one
on
> other folk's sites.
>
> Cheers,
> Marek
>
>
> Marek Möhling
> Naunynstr. 82
> 10997 Berlin
> Tel: +49 30 627 341 29
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>
>
> On Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:10 AM [GMT+1=CET],
> Dirk Steuwer <dirk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday 07 November 2007 22:55:34 dirk.bonne@xxxxxxx wrote:
> >> J. R. Sparks wrote:
> >>> If Microsoft did manage to build the Python 2007 the wheels would
> >>> lock up, the chain drive would develop bad sectors and the brakes
> >>> would probably need patches to fix them.
> >>>
> >>> Seriously, Alan Maurer's Tilting Trike is patented and you see
> >>> nothing about it. It is a great idea but because he is trying to
> >>> find someone to build it you here nothing. If it were public
> >>> knowledge we could all have one.
> >>
> >> AFAIK, this is untrue. Even if it is patented you can always make the
> >> bike non-commercially. The idea around patents is to give a carrot to
> >> the inventer so he /she documents his/her secrets in a patent. The
> >> carrot is to give the inventer a time limited monopoly on licensing
> >> the idea for commercial reasons.
> >>
> >> In the software world patents are totally misused, but that is
> >> another story.
> >>
> >> dirk
> >
> > yes i fully agree here. Software is a language to me, already
> > protected by copyright from day one you release it (now matter if
> > open or closed source). Math and logic components are explicitly not
> > patentable, still in the USA and EU there are plenty of software
> > patents granted.
> > If you follow news in the IT world, it ends up like this:
> > company a sues company b and finally they cross-licence their patent
> > portfolio, thereby creating a patent free world among/between them.
> > This excludes those small inventors from entering the market, which
> > is often claimed to be the main benefit of patents beside public
> > documentation.
> >
> > In the mechanical world, my experience is this: patentlawyer from my
> > company comes to me for patenting stuff i developed. "Mr Steuwer,
> > when i'm done with you invention, you yourself would be unable to
> > understand, what i have been writing about" So public documentation
> > ends up being lawyer-speak...especially if you try to read and
> > understand software
> > patents ;-(
> > It takes 3-4 years untill your patent is filed at least in your
> > homecountry, even longer on the international scale.
> > Then its still worth nothing, untill it is tested in court. So a big
> > company comes along, trying to dig out prior art or trying show that
> > the required inventive step was not big enough compared to status quo
> > to call your devolopment an invention. -> your done.
> >
> > So society has to look carefully at benefits and pitfalls of patent
> > systems in specific fields of technology.
> > I much agree with henry. If you open up all inventions it is up to
> > anyone what you do with it. It takes much more than patents to build
> > up a business. Just because you filed a patent it still doesn't mean
> > your thing is feasable, manufacturable, machinable, not to pricy,
> > etc...
> >
> >
> >
> > Great overview herny. Would it be possible to add a structured
> > objective/advantage/disadvantage list to each of these desgins?
> >
> > Whe should really do a bike design wiki site, where we could all edit
> > things together, otherwise it is always up to one person managing a
> > site. i guess Jürgen is reaching his limits as well :-)
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > DirkS
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