[raspberry-vi] Espeak versus others, was:Re: Re: Pringles Speaker
- From: Jason Miller <hobbgoblin79@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:43:28 -0400
Hello,
Just a couple of things. First off, I don't have any typing echo what so ever.
No words, no characters, no sentences. I
type pretty quickly usually, and do make mistakes, but have trained myself to
catch them usually.
Secondly, I use Espeak. People compare the speeds of voxin versus espeak,
but... On my main machine, i have espeak
running up close to 650 words per minute. It's a special tweak to the files to
let it speak that fast, and I can't
figure it out on newer versions. I also can't exactly get Voxin to talk
anywhere near that fast, and can't figure where
to tweak it to do that. So, the fact that "everyone" or "most" can understand
voxin at a faster rate, and espeak can't
be is kind of out the window on that one.
My final thing I have to bring up that no one has mentioned. How basic
pronounciation is out of the box. Even when I
don't want it, voxin seems to speak punctuation. I play MUDs, online text
games. I don't always want to hear:
Jon Smith says comma quote how is it going today comma is everything alright
question quote
I would much rather hear
John Smith says How is it going, is everything alright?
It's things like that that really get me irritated at voxin, besides the fact
that it'll start spelling every word when
I use flat review or speakup review on it's own when I'm trying to read word by
word, or entire line by line. I don't
care to hear it spell out words that it decides it should, instead of reading
the entire line word by word like I would
like it to.
*shrugs*
What it allcomes down to though is this. It's all preference. What I use,
versus what you use, versus what blind joe in
the corner uses, doesn't really mean squat to anyone besides that individual
user. Everyone has what they like, and what
their reasons are for it. Now, what that person's beliefs are on what people
should use is a different story. *chuckles*
Take care all.
Jason Miller
If they could update Voxin's IBMTTS packages to make them somewhat current,
instead of the decade old software they are
using from IBM, maybe things could get better. But, good luck getting that
done.
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 09:57:20AM -0500, John G. Heim wrote:
> But you're implying that espeak is faster than the alternatives which
> isn't necessarily true. At least on my desktop, voxin is far more
> responsive than espeak. And I can crank the speech rate up much higher
> and still understand it.
>
> I have no scientific evidence for this experiments I've run on myself.
> But I suspect that the reason people keep saying they get tired
> listening to espeak all day is that they can't understand it as easily
> as other voices like eloquence. They're straining to understand it all
> day. I know that I can understand eloquence at a much higher speech
> rate than I can espeak.
>
> On 03/29/2013 09:20 AM, Michael A. Ray wrote:
> >
> > If the nice clean and sweet smelling person takes twice as long to tell
> > me and charges me money for the data I'll stick with Mr Pig-pen.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On 29/03/2013 14:17, Glenn wrote:
> >> I think a good comparison would be like interacting with someone who is
> >> disheveled, sweaty, and stinky to interacting with a clean person.
> >> Both can give you the information you need, but why not get the information
> >> from the one whom is not offensive?
> >> Glenn
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Michael A. Ray" <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:07 AM
> >> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Pringles Speaker
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That's exactly my point. All I need to know is where the cursor is and
> >> what I just did, and what I need to do next.
> >>
> >> I don't need the voice to inflect in the right places. I don't need the
> >> voice to simulate breaths like svox pico seems to.
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't need Voxin when I got eSpeak. That would involve paying for a
> >> piece of software.
> >>
> >> Having said that...when I play eSpeak through my PC speakers instead of
> >> my Logitech USB headphones it sounds very different.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> On 29/03/2013 13:56, John G. Heim wrote:
> >>> Mike, typing speed and speech rate are not trivial concerns. These
> >>> things can have a significant impact on productivity.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 03/29/2013 06:33 AM, Michael A. Ray wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Philistines! Bow down to eSpeak, the greatest speech synthesizer that
> >>>> ever lived. More language support than most, more responsive than
> >>>> Eloquence, faster than a speeding bullet and laughs in the face of SAPI.
> >>>>
> >>>> Fiddling about with speech settings is the blind person's equivalent to
> >>>> a sighted person fiddling with their desktop theme. Stop listening to
> >>>> the voice and do some real work!
> >>>>
> >>>> It's only there to tell me whether I'm on a combo box or an edit
> >>>> control, not to empathise with my mood ffs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 29/03/2013 11:25, Jonathan Horniblow (Talking Newspaper Services)
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Tim Chase
> >>>>> <raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Besides, using espeak voices, can they actually get much worse, even
> >>>>>> if you play them through a Pringles can? (grins, ducks, and runs)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No need to duck and run - I completely agree!
> >>>>> I mean, this is shocking.
> >>>>> http://espeak.sourceforge.net/samples/raven.ogg
> >>>>> It's 2013 FFS!
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