[raspberry-vi] Re: Linux voices
- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 08:29:27 -0500
I think IBM is sort of doing it out of the goodness of their heart, as
much as any corporation can do something like that. Oralux was a live
distro for the blind. You booted this live CD and it came up talking
which was, still is, quite an innovation. But it was somewhat
supplatnted by Knoppix when Knoppix added screen reader support. And
it's a lot of owrk to maintan a live distro. About the same time, IBM
wanted to stop selling their software speech synthesizer. But they
realized a lot of people depended on it so they said they'd let
resellers keep selling it. The only catch was the reseller had to buy
like a thousand licenses at once and then resell them. It was amazingly
cheap but there was a considerable up front investment. The people
running the oralux project stepped up and became a reseller.
On 03/15/2013 03:34 AM, lsmithso@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> I'm with Glenn on this. I'm on the computer all day and every day, and
> listening to a good clear voice makes a big difference.
>
> Voxin from Oralux was practically free at around £2. Putting
> aside the binary only dogma, its value and clarity make it far
> superior to espeak.
>
> What's the story behind Oralux? I know Voxin is actually IBM
> ViaVoice, so why are Oralux selling it and selling it so cheaply?
>
>
>
> Glenn writes:
>> Hi
> Mike, > I don't consider it a matter of entertainment. It's like if
> someone had to > look at a computer monitor that was so bright that it
> gave them a headache > after a while. Or such wild colors on the
> screen that they found annoying > to do their work with. > Just like
> there are some people who have a voice that is annoying. > Glenn >
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael A. Ray"
> <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent:
> Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:23 PM > Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Linux
> voices
> >
> >
> > Glenn,
> >
> > I really don't understand the problem people have with espeak voices.
> > Yes I suppose the first time you listen to one it sounds artificial and
> > nobody would want to listen to a book read to them in that voice.
> >
> > But to me the screen-reader is there to get a job done and espeak does
> > that job fantastically, and more importantly, a lot more responsively
> > than most. I used to use a ScanSoft voice called 'Daniel' back in the
> > bad old days when I used Dolphin Supernova, before I saw the light and
> > started using NVDA. Now when I hear ScanSoft Daniel I cringe. It is
> > just too slow.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > SAPI voices can be nicer for converting text files to WAV or MP3, which
> > I sometimes do for putting texts on my Victor Reader Stream. I
> > particularly like SAPI 5 Emily, but she can't keep up with my typing
> speed.
> >
> > Again, to me the voice is just there so I know what I'm doing, it's not
> > there to entertain me.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On 15/03/2013 00:14, Glenn wrote:
> > > I too will take whatever I can get.
> > > I did get quite fond of the Artic speech.
> > > Normally I like a UK accent, as I use my iPhone on the Australian voice
> > > Karen, but espeak in a British accent is awful I think.
> > > Voices are indeed a personal thing.
> > > And the SAPI voices, although sounding more human, are a real drag.
> > > Glenn
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mobeen Iqbal" <mobeeniqbal@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:53 PM
> > > Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Linux voices
> > >
> > >
> > > hahahaha, i can see where you're coming from. I don't care either, as
> > > long as the dam thing works i'm fine with it, the only voice i've ever
> > > objected to is the microsoft sapi voices they're a waste of time!
> > >
> > > Mo.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 14/03/2013 20:51, Michael A. Ray wrote:
> > >> I don't really understand the objection so many people seem to have to
> > >> espeak voices. Messing about with different synthesiser voices seems
> to
> > >> be the blind person's equivalent to the time sighted people waste
> > >> tinkering with desktop colour schemes instead of doing useful work.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 14/03/2013 20:30, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
> > >>> Hi Mike. I don't think they would be, as they're comercial voices. It
> > >>> would be interesting if someone had a license and got them working
> > >>> though!
> > >>>
> > >>> Mo.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 14/03/2013 20:28, Michael A. Ray wrote:
> > >>>> Steve,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Are these voices available in source code?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mike
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 14/03/2013 20:23, Steve Crawford wrote:
> > >>>>> I've found a couple of UK accented voices that are Linux compatible
> > >>>>> from
> > >>>>> Cepstral. Do you think these would work with the Pi?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael A.
> Ray
> > >>>>> Sent: 14 March 2013 14:54
> > >>>>> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Linux voices
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Glenn,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> As Voxin is a commercial product it is unlikely to be ported to
> > >>>>> Raspberry Pi.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 14/03/2013 03:21, Glenn wrote:
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>> I am hoping to use Voxin on my RPI.
> > >>>>>> That is what I use in Ubuntu.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Glenn
> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>> From: "Steve Crawford"<steve@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> To:<raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:27 AM
> > >>>>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Linux voices
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Quick question from a linux novice. Which voices are people using
> (or
> > >>>>> hoping
> > >>>>>> to use) with their Raspberry Pi screenreaders?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thx
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>> NVDA, the best free screen-reader in the world:
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