[raspberry-vi] Re: Orca screen reader.
- From: Jason Miller <hobbgoblin79@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:32:37 -0500
Hello Tony,
I'm glad to hear that someoen got Mate up and running. Unfortunately
I'll have to order the newer Pi since mine is the version with only
256MB of RAM. Here's a couple of questions though, and I apologize as I
didn't read all the way through yoru link yet, but I plan on it.
First, what is performance like? seeing as the newer Pis only have 512MB
of RAM, and have to be overclocked to get the 800 MHz processor I've
read it needs, is
it slow, or does it slow down considerably?
The second question, and I really would need to have this answered truthfully
as a "Yes" to consider mate. Is the terminal accessible yet? I hear that is one
of the biggest complaints for Mate, although I guess you could install Gnome
terminal, and use a menu to get to it, but unfortunately that also installs a
ton of things that clogs up space on the Pi's SD card.
Now, Mike, You know I forgot about YASR completely? Even though it's supposed
to be part of Vinux 3.0.x... It should work, although I don't think a lot of
people like it. If we were to try to get somethign that most blind people would
use, we would possibly have to use speakup/emacspeak/Orca in the gui as well.
I'm swappign my cards as I thin I oopsed the one I was tooling with for LXDE,
and going back to my XFCE and Emacs card to see what my issues are.
For Emacspeak with Emacs, I seem to have everythign installed correctly. I had
to change the line that stated:
make "LIBS=-lespeak -ltcl8.5"
to:
|make "LIBS=-lespeak -ltcl865"|
since tcl 8.6 is what is installed into the system. I got no errors after
tweaking the setups a little, but hwen I start, alas, no sound still. I get a
sound process not running or something now, and googling that leads me back to
TCL and testing it with the voice setup I used to install the server.
Hey, at least it's progress, now if I could get the stupid thign to play.
Oh, and about why I don't necessarily like pulse. Well, it comes down to this.
With ALSA, you install alsa, with the alsa-utils. with Pulse, you're installing
alsa, and then pulse to run on top of it. Basically it seems like a waste of
time, and a waste of space to have both, as well as from what I have read
around, pulse needs to be run as a system task, instead of a user task? That's
the basics, and alsa jsut seems easier to configure.
Take care all, and keep plugging away.
Jason Miller
On 02/09/2013 09:20 AM, Tamas Geczy wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have installed and ran Mate before on my r-pi.
> The good thing about Mate is that you can enable a11y and orca on it's
> boot. Unfortunately, orca didn't speak again, besides a "pop" on my
> speakers.
> http://wipsite.net/blog/gnome2-orca/
> Check that out. Mate is essentially gnome 2.
>
> -Tomi
>
>
>
> On 2/9/13, James Lee <jameslee303@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> There's distribution from pisces based on Mate which I think spin off
>> from Gnome2 GUI.
>> http://www.raspbian.org/PiscesMATEImages
>> Do you think it's worth to look into it?
>>
>> JL
>>
>> On 2/8/2013 10:08 PM, Jason Miller wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> One of the issues surrounding a11y with speech-dispatcher either on LXDE
>>> or XFCE is the fact that it's trying to use pulse. Now, if you're using
>>> Arch, pulse isn't installed, and I'd like to keep it that way. I'm going
>>> through right now and looking through all the speech.conf files, and
>>> changing it from using pulse, to alsa.
>>>
>>> I've been working on this for the past 6 hours, between XFCE with Orca,
>>> and emacspeak. I keep running into errors on both, or not even errors,
>>> but it jsut not working. I'll give it a little more of a go tonight,
>>> then if I fail like I seem to keep doing, I'll pick up either this
>>> weekend if I'm home, or Monday/Tuesday. Hopefully I found all the
>>> speech.conf files and changed them all correctly. Unfortunately I can't
>>> find any ~/.local folder in either the root login, or in my user login
>>> over SSh. I also don't actually have a working monitor, but it seems to
>>> work well enough to boot the GUI with my desktop, so I know it's good
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> *shrugs* here goes nothing, and hope it works.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason Miller
>>>
>>> On 02/08/2013 08:40 PM, Michael A. Ray wrote:
>>>> Hello Glenn,
>>>>
>>>> I really don't think we ought to be thinking about trying to shoe-horn
>>>> Gnome onto the Raspi.
>>>>
>>>> Since my earlier brain-dump I have learned a bit more about LXDE. This
>>>> is the desktop which runs on the Raspbian distro and the 'L' part stands
>>>> for 'Lightweight'. And lightweight it definitely is.
>>>>
>>>> I understand now that there IS accessibility built into LXDE. There are
>>>> a couple of bugs which have been reported with the accessibility api for
>>>> LXDE and there is a developer on the LXDE team who is committed to
>>>> accessibility.
>>>>
>>>> My understanding at the moment is that the issue with Orca relates to
>>>> speech-dispatcher, Jason will correct me if that's wrong. If that can
>>>> be solved then Orca will render LXDE accessible.
>>>>
>>>> But Gnome is just too resource-hungry to run on even a Model B, I think.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm fed up with typing 'accessibility' so from now on it's 'a11y' :)
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/02/2013 01:30, Glenn wrote:
>>>>> Is there a way to build Gnome into Arch?
>>>>> Glenn
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Michael A. Ray" <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 12:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Orca screen reader.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason, James and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we could maybe do with having some attempt at a consolidation
>>>>> of
>>>>> notes and experiences as far as Orca and other screen-reader options
>>>>> go.
>>>>> It sounds like there might be some mileage in Gnome but not sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestions for how we get to a position where we could strategise (is
>>>>> that a word? It is now!) would be welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/02/2013 17:48, Jason Miller wrote:
>>>>>> Just a note here for you trying orca. Orca isn't wasted. *grins* it's
>>>>>> just not easily accessible out of the box with desktops like LXDE or
>>>>>> XFCE. If you wanted, you can attempt to install Gnome, but *note*
>>>>>> current gnome in the Raspbian's repositories will be more than a
>>>>>> severe
>>>>>> drain on the RPi's resources and may not even load.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a couple of old gnome 2.x spinoffs that might work, but
>>>>>> again,
>>>>>> not positive. You might want to look into things like Mate, or was it
>>>>>> cinnamon, I forgot, as well as a possible backport of gnome 2.x.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason Miller
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/07/2013 07:19 PM, Michael A. Ray wrote:
>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 3.5 millimetre socket will drive a pair of ear buds but be
>>>>>>> careful.
>>>>>>> It is pretty high impedance and capable of a LOT of output, so
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> put buds in your ears until you're sure you're not going to make your
>>>>>>> head explode with the volume.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what all that stuff means...G4KLX software? Do you mean
>>>>>>> you're running a cluster node or is it a radio to internet gateway or
>>>>>>> something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn't say your efforts are wasted and don't totally dismiss Orca
>>>>>>> yet but it certainly isn't the most likely candidate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the general opinion at the moment is that EmacsSpeak is the
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> likely possibility for a talking Raspi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 07/02/2013 22:59, Andrew Ireland wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So.... Orca is wasted, I best get rid of it. <smile>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will wait and see how you experts get on. I can manage with
>>>>>>>> putty,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> voice would be so good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My Pi runs a D-Star HotSpot with G4KLX software (ircDDB Gateway &
>>>>>>>> DVR-PtR
>>>>>>>> Repeater), and it works fantastic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will the 3.5mm socket do sound to my headphones?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andrew.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael A.
>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>> Sent: 07 February 2013 22:46
>>>>>>>> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Orca screen reader.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are a number of us on here who are trying very hard to get the
>>>>>>>> Raspi
>>>>>>>> talking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are a couple of options. Orca, which runs with the gnome
>>>>>>>> desktop
>>>>>>>> (I
>>>>>>>> think that's right?), but I don't think the desktop used in the
>>>>>>>> Raspbian
>>>>>>>> OS
>>>>>>>> is gnome so even if it did work I imagine only the Orca control
>>>>>>>> panel
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> talk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The other option is SpeakUp!, the console-mode screen-reader.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm currently trying to get text-to-speech with the 'Flite' library
>>>>>>>> working,
>>>>>>>> and having a few problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, there are a few pairs of hands hacking away and trying to get
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> talking but any help anybody else can bring to the party is welcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the meantime a lot of us are connecting to our little beauties
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> SSH
>>>>>>>> either from Windows or from Linux running on desktop machines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I too am a radio ham, G4XBF. I have done a little fiddling with the
>>>>>>>> Hamlib
>>>>>>>> library and have sort of half cobbled together an RPC client/server
>>>>>>>> pair
>>>>>>>> with it. The Raspi seems to me to be a good way to remotely control
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> station.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2013 22:29, Andrew Ireland wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Evening Folks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My name is Andrew Ireland and I have been using a Raspberry Pi
>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>> last August mostly for running two programs to operate a ham radio
>>>>>>>>> Digital HotSpot. I decided tonight I may purchase another Pi if I
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> get it talking. I hate depending on my Wife! <Smile>.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After a Google search I found
>>>>>>>>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4526. From
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> info posted I was able to install Orca.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steps to install Orca.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I used a SSH session with Putty to do the installation As at least
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> can read back the text with SuperNova.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm using the root account so didn't need to use 'sudo'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I typed:-
>>>>>>>>> aptitude install gnome-orca
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The installation went without any errors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I got my wife to log in using RDP and open a terminal and type orca
>>>>>>>>> -t. We was able to go right through the setup until the end when
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> asked to press enter to complete then got an error. Could this be
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> sound that's not enabled?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would be very interested in any tips or tricks to get this up and
>>>>>>>>> running as I think I am half way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many thanks Mike for inviting me to join the list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andrew.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Michael A. Ray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Analyst/Programmer
>>>>>>>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ham Radio Callsign: G4XBF, licenced since 1982
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem' - Ockham's Razor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Use the NVDA screen-reader, not Scientific, just Freedom:
>>>>>>>> http://nvda-project.org/
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