[raspberry-vi] Re: Setup questions.
- From: Glenn <glennervin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:15:05 -0600
Hi Mike,
Usually when I install an ISO onto a memory card, the USB installer will
give me an opportunity to create a persistence file.
A persistence file is just a file like a Windows temp file, only it is not
rewritten, it is there to store changes to the program, or files that have
been downloaded.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Ray" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 6:54 AM
Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Setup questions.
Glenn,
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. It will take a .img or a .iso
file and assuming the drive that is receiving it is big enough it will
write the whole file to the target drive.
This is a byte for byte write at low-level.
What do you mean 'persistence files'?
Mike
On 13/01/2014 00:13, Glenn wrote:
> Mike,
> Can you make it so it gives the option for various size options for
> persistence files?
> Thanks.
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Ray" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 6:00 PM
> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Setup questions.
>
>
> Guys,
>
> If you run Linux on another machine you can wipe the card like this:
>
> sudo dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc
>
> (assuming /dev/sdc as the SD card)
>
> That will wipe the card so completely that even your girlfriend won't be
> able to undelete those dodgy emails if she works for the FBI.
>
> I always do this before I use an SD card.
>
> Podcasts...
>
> No problem hosting the podcasts but we would have to listen to them to
> make sure they don't contain anything that would land us in trouble
> either with the Pi Foundation or elsewhere.
>
> I am seriously thinking I should write a bespoke accessible RPI card
> writing application for Windows. This I can do reasonably easily with
> C++ and wxWidgets. Would people like to tell me what features they
> would like? This is my list:
>
> 1. Only make it possible to select drives marked as 'replaceable' by
> the operating system to avoid the ability to blow away a fixed disk
> accidentally.
>
> 2. Make it possible to write more than one card at a time, so that a
> USB hub and a bunch of SD card readers would make an SD card factory.
>
> 3. Make it totally accessible with NVDA, possibly using the NVDA
> controller client (although with wxWidgets this is not necessary).
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 12/01/2014 23:12, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
>> Hi Nick.
>> Excellent. yes, you may be right. sorry, i was reading in a hurry, the
>> image you mentioned may not have it enabled. could you do me a favour?
>> could you try wiping the partitions manually using the disk part utility
>> in windows? if you don't know how to use it, i can send you a quick
>> start guide. i must admit that since ditching other format tools and
>> wiping all my partitions so i have a completely blank card, no image has
>> failed to boot. i think that part of the problem could be that people
>> are using utilities that do not properly format/wipe the cards clean, so
>> the pi doesn't boot. i'd like to test this theory so if you could test
>> out the attached guide for me that would be great. as for documentation,
>> yes we need help to get it up to date and always welcome contributions.
>> how about getting together for a voice chat sometime to discuss further?
>> we have a ventrilo server and can also arrange a meeting via skype. i am
>> the webmaster for the project at present, so we could potentially even
>> offer you the chance to host your podcasts if all the above is OK with
>> mike of course. please let me know your thoughts anyway.
>>
>> all the best,
>>
>> Mo.
>>
>> On 12/01/2014 23:06, Nick Adamson wrote:
>>> Hi Mo.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your quick response.
>>> 1. The reason I thought that noobe was not going to work is based on
>>> some
>>> posts i read on the raspberry-pi forum which is backed up by what I
>>> found.
>>> When I imaged a card as described on the raspberry-pi website,
>>> formatting
>>> with SDFormat and copying the noobe files my Pi got an IP but didn't
>>> respond
>>> to SSH. A forum post i found indicated that SSH was not initially
>>> enabled
>>> by
>>> noobe. All indications would seem to agree with that.
>>>
>>> 2. I was assuming that I'd done something wrong, I actually quite like
>>> roadKil, My guess is that I screwed up the card when i formatted it, I'm
>>> going to have another go at some point as I'd like the ability to switch
>>> images easily. I'm using the card that came with the kit i bought so I'd
>>> assume that its pretty good. Not sure of make or model. I did notice
>>> that
>>> the last time i ran SDFormat that it showed an error which at initial
>>> reading looks like a success message. I played around with setting until
>>> the
>>> error stopped getting reported this last time and thats what makes me
>>> think
>>> I did something wrong.
>>>
>>> 3. Thanks, will take a look.
>>>
>>> I've recorded the pod casts now and I'm going to host them up on my
>>> audioboo
>>> account just as my story with the PI.
>>>
>>> as the PI is such a good potential programming and general Linux tool I
>>> wonder if there's a little more support the raspberryvi.org website can
>>> do
>>> to help with getting started. I'd be happy to collaborate on a set of
>>> more
>>> formal podcasts for the website and would also be happy to help improve
>>> the
>>> getting started guide, as although it was invaluable in giving me some
>>> pointers in the right direction it did leave a couple of holes I think
>>> could
>>> be filled. For example It would be nice to have a comparison of the
>>> various
>>> PI distributions, some more detailed instructions on how to image SD
>>> cards
>>> and it would appear that we can't use noobees, as almost every PI comes
>>> shipped with it i think it would be nice to have known that up front.
>>> I'm
>>> not sure how we go about putting forward content to the website. I'd be
>>> happy to take the current getting started guide, update it and send it
>>> in
>>> to
>>> the list for review if help like this is welcome and of any use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Nick.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Mobeen Iqbal" <mobeeniqbal@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:05 PM
>>> To: <raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Setup questions.
>>>
>>>> Hello Nick.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Yes, the raspbian images do have SSH enabled by default. so a
>>>> totally
>>>> blind person could use the image remotely from windows, though
>>>> obviously
>>>> you would need sighted assistance if you had it connected up to a
>>>> screen
>>>> and ssh wasn't possible.
>>>> 2. I have tried writing both the accessible arch and raspbian images to
>>>> numerous SD cards and the pi has booted with no problems. did you try
>>>> making sure the card was clear of any partitions before writing your
>>>> images? also, its worth noting that the old image we had on the website
>>>> wouldn't boot if your Pi had a hynics chip though the raspbian image
>>>> should still have booted. i'm looking in to alternative tools for
>>>> writing images for windows and will report my findings soon, as you're
>>>> not the first to complain about roadkill's tool. having said that
>>>> though, some people have reported the image not booting on other SD
>>>> cards when written with other tools including linux. can you provide
>>>> the
>>>> make model and size of your SD card if possible? not all cards work
>>>> with
>>>> the Pi, some can be temprimental to the point where you start to
>>>> wonder.
>>>> i generally use sandisk or transcend cards with no problems, i believe
>>>> kingston can be temprimental.
>>>> 3. backing up an image is a little trickier if using windows, though
>>>> again the roadkill tool can do it with no problems. its how i backup
>>>> all
>>>> my images. using NVDA's flat review or the jaws curser, click the
>>>> backup
>>>> tab when roadkill's running and that'll switch to backup mode. it
>>>> should
>>>> be relatively simple from there. select your drive, enter a filename
>>>> and
>>>> click back up. i hope this helps? if you'd like a hand with the
>>>> podcasts
>>>> drop me a note off list and perhaps we can collaborate.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Mo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/01/2014 21:31, Nick Adamson wrote:
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>> Well my pi arrived a couple of days ago and it's taken a while to get
>>>>> it
>>>>> in to a state i can SSH in to it.
>>>>> I'm recording a series of podcasts about the pi and I'd like to see if
>>>>> I've got everything right before recording.
>>>>> With that in mind would anyone mind answering some questions for me.
>>>>> 1. Noobe, the setup image the raspberry-pi foundation provide can not
>>>>> be
>>>>> used without ssh or with sighted assistance. Is this right?
>>>>> 2 I tried to right both the latest raspeen image and the accessible
>>>>> image
>>>>> to the ad card using roadkil but both images failed to boot even
>>>>> though
>>>>> they seemed to get written OK. Did I do something wrong or does the pi
>>>>> have to go through the noobe setup process before you can load images
>>>>> like this.
>>>>> 3. How can I back up an image to my pc if I want to try a new image?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any help. I'd be happy to help update the getting started
>>>>> guide with my findings if that would be use full.
>>>>> Nick.
>>>>>
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