No, I wasn't saying that it was a problem for the Braille translator. I was
only saying that if I do superscript them, the Braille translator would have
to take care of following the rather murky Braille rules - as Shelley laid
them out, anyway - to ensure that they were identified correctly in the brf
file.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:43 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s
No, you don't have to send the message from your folder--but if you could explain a little more--are you saying that using superscript numbers for footnotes causes trouble for Braille readers and it would be better to leave them in regular-size arabic numbers with an asterisk in front of them? Or perhaps in parentheses? That would certainly be easier and faster for the validator--at least for me, than changing them to superscript and smaller font. smile
Cindy R
--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
GC, this is my message. I don't know how it became Bobbie's message, but I can show that I sent this message last week. Shelley was explaining the Braille rules for identifying footnotes, and my response was the message just below yours. As I said, I have no idea how this happened. But I can send you the exact same message from my Sent Messages folder if you wish.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s
> Bobbie, > > I'm not quite sure what your message means. I've > validating something now with lots of footnotes > (fortunately they're numbered anew for each > page--definitions, which are at the bottom of the > page). Are you saying that I should not make them > raised? I raise the numbers and also make them a > smaller font so the line isn't disrupted. > > Cindy R > > --- Bobbie Hughes <hughebo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > Thanks, Shelley, that sounds reasonable. The only >> problem I can see is >> > that >> > I don't believe we are supposed to put stuff in >> the rtf file that would >> > conform to that rule - what I was able to >> comprehend of it. <smile> If I >> > use superscript numbers, then the Bookshare >> Braille translator will have >> > to >> > see to the Braille rules for identifying >> footnotes. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" >> <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 7:05 PM >> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s >> > >> > >> >> Braille rules say there should be some indication >> to the footnote, so >> >> actually seperating them out, or placing a * >> before them, is actually >> >> appropriate, see below, taken from Braille >> Formats and Layouts. >> >> >> >> 1. Notes with print reference marks. For the >> purposes of this Code >> >> section >> >> a >> >> print reference mark is defined as any superior >> number, letter, or >> >> character >> >> printed in running text, a table, list, or >> illustration to indicate that >> >> there is a note to what is being discussed and to >> identify which note. >> >> NOTE: In line-numbered texts, all notes that are >> identified by line >> >> numbers >> >> must be brailled according to >> >> Rule 11, Sections 1d(3) and (4). >> >> >> >> List of 4 items nesting level 1 >> >> A. Numbered or lettered reference marks.Superior >> numbers or letters are >> >> usually printed after the reference point after >> the reference point in >> >> the >> >> text >> >> (word1orworda) and preceding the note itself >> (1note, 1. note, anote,ora. >> >> note). >> >> >> >> (1) Each numbered reference mark must be >> represented in braille by the >> >> symbol dots 35,35 followed by the unspaced number >> indicator and a >> >> number. >> >> >> >> (2) Each lettered reference mark must be >> represented in braille by the >> >> symbol dots 35, 35 followed by the unspaced >> letter indicator and a >> >> letter. >> >> >> >> B. Superior reference marks.Superior reference >> marks are usually printed >> >> after the point of reference in the text >> (word*orword) and preceding the >> >> note itself >> >> (*noteornote). The customary sequence of print >> reference marks is as >> >> follows: * asterisk, dagger, double dagger, � >> section sign, || >> >> parallels, >> >> � >> >> paragraph >> >> sign, � hollow dot. >> >> >> >> But as even this indicates there is no "real" way >> they are supposed to >> >> be >> >> presented. >> >> >> >> >> >> Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI >> >> and Judson, guiding golden >> >> juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. >> >> Graduate Alumni Association Board >> >> www.guidedogs.com >> >> >> >> Dog ownership is like a rainbow. >> >> Puppies are the joy at one end. >> >> Old dogs are the treasure at the other. >> >> Carolyn Alexander >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:46 PM >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s >> >> >> >> >> >> Actually, footnote numbers are usually raised and >> >> smaller--and occasionally, if there haven't been >> too >> >> many of them and some have shown up that way, >> I've >> >> used Character Spacing in Font in the Format file >> to >> >> do that. If there are a lot, though, I've just >> left >> >> them as they scanned, usually, as Evan says, >> right >> >> next to the end of the sentence. I haven't come >> across >> >> any in the middle of sentences, at least without >> >> punctuation. I think in that case that I would >> make >> >> the number small and raised. >> >> >> >> Cindy >> >> >> >> --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Sorry, but that's too bad for ranked spelling. >> I do >> >>> not think it is a good >> >>> idea to alter the way the book is printed to >> >>> accommodate ranked spelling. >> >>> Numbers for footnotes are printed right up >> against >> >>> the text. You should >> >>> just ignore them when they come up in ranked >> >>> spelling rather than making the >> >>> footnote references a little less clear in order >> to >> >>> keep them from coming up >> >>> in ranked spelling. >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 1:31 PM >> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > On the other hand, putting a space between >> >>> punctuation and the number or >> >>> > the word and the number means the number/word >> >>> combination no longer shows >> >>> > up as an error in k1000 rank spelling. >> >>> > >> >>> > E. >> >>> > At 04:15 PM 9/25/2006, you wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> >>I have not looked it up so this is just 30 >> years >> >>> experience and what I >> >>> >>have learned from your questions, guesses, and >> >>> answers but you cannot put >> >>> >>the footnotes at the end of the line or >> sentence >> >>> unless they refer to the >> >>> >>whole line or sentence. You should not leave >> a >> >>> space because it is then >> >>> >>unclear what that "lone, lorn" number is doing >> >>> there. Evan, the one >> >>> >>Braille reader I know, says the number does >> not >> >>> interfere with his screen >> >>> >>reader but even Evan is only one person. >> Perhaps >> >>> the question could be >> >>> >>asked at least of all braille-reader users. >> Until >> >>> then I would leave the >> >>> >>number without a space next to the word to >> which >> >>> it applies. If sighted >> >>> >>College freshman composition students can >> figure >> >>> it out I would lay odds >> >>> >>that blind high-school freshman who have had >> to >> >>> compensate for works not >> >>> >>consider by their sighted friends can do so a >> lot >> >>> quicker. 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