[bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:44:05 -0700 (PDT)
Bobbie,
I'm not quite sure what your message means. I've
validating something now with lots of footnotes
(fortunately they're numbered anew for each
page--definitions, which are at the bottom of the
page). Are you saying that I should not make them
raised? I raise the numbers and also make them a
smaller font so the line isn't disrupted.
Cindy R
--- Bobbie Hughes <hughebo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Thanks, Shelley, that sounds reasonable. The only
> problem I can see is
> > that
> > I don't believe we are supposed to put stuff in
> the rtf file that would
> > conform to that rule - what I was able to
> comprehend of it. <smile> If I
> > use superscript numbers, then the Bookshare
> Braille translator will have
> > to
> > see to the Braille rules for identifying
> footnotes.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shelley L. Rhodes"
> <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 7:05 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s
> >
> >
> >> Braille rules say there should be some indication
> to the footnote, so
> >> actually seperating them out, or placing a *
> before them, is actually
> >> appropriate, see below, taken from Braille
> Formats and Layouts.
> >>
> >> 1. Notes with print reference marks. For the
> purposes of this Code
> >> section
> >> a
> >> print reference mark is defined as any superior
> number, letter, or
> >> character
> >> printed in running text, a table, list, or
> illustration to indicate that
> >> there is a note to what is being discussed and to
> identify which note.
> >> NOTE: In line-numbered texts, all notes that are
> identified by line
> >> numbers
> >> must be brailled according to
> >> Rule 11, Sections 1d(3) and (4).
> >>
> >> List of 4 items nesting level 1
> >> A. Numbered or lettered reference marks.Superior
> numbers or letters are
> >> usually printed after the reference point after
> the reference point in
> >> the
> >> text
> >> (word1orworda) and preceding the note itself
> (1note, 1. note, anote,ora.
> >> note).
> >>
> >> (1) Each numbered reference mark must be
> represented in braille by the
> >> symbol dots 35,35 followed by the unspaced number
> indicator and a
> >> number.
> >>
> >> (2) Each lettered reference mark must be
> represented in braille by the
> >> symbol dots 35, 35 followed by the unspaced
> letter indicator and a
> >> letter.
> >>
> >> B. Superior reference marks.Superior reference
> marks are usually printed
> >> after the point of reference in the text
> (word*orword) and preceding the
> >> note itself
> >> (*noteornote). The customary sequence of print
> reference marks is as
> >> follows: * asterisk, dagger, double dagger, �
> section sign, ||
> >> parallels,
> >> �
> >> paragraph
> >> sign, � hollow dot.
> >>
> >> But as even this indicates there is no "real" way
> they are supposed to
> >> be
> >> presented.
> >>
> >>
> >> Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
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> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:46 PM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually, footnote numbers are usually raised and
> >> smaller--and occasionally, if there haven't been
> too
> >> many of them and some have shown up that way,
> I've
> >> used Character Spacing in Font in the Format file
> to
> >> do that. If there are a lot, though, I've just
> left
> >> them as they scanned, usually, as Evan says,
> right
> >> next to the end of the sentence. I haven't come
> across
> >> any in the middle of sentences, at least without
> >> punctuation. I think in that case that I would
> make
> >> the number small and raised.
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >> --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry, but that's too bad for ranked spelling.
> I do
> >>> not think it is a good
> >>> idea to alter the way the book is printed to
> >>> accommodate ranked spelling.
> >>> Numbers for footnotes are printed right up
> against
> >>> the text. You should
> >>> just ignore them when they come up in ranked
> >>> spelling rather than making the
> >>> footnote references a little less clear in order
> to
> >>> keep them from coming up
> >>> in ranked spelling.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 1:31 PM
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Footnote #s
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > On the other hand, putting a space between
> >>> punctuation and the number or
> >>> > the word and the number means the number/word
> >>> combination no longer shows
> >>> > up as an error in k1000 rank spelling.
> >>> >
> >>> > E.
> >>> > At 04:15 PM 9/25/2006, you wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >>I have not looked it up so this is just 30
> years
> >>> experience and what I
> >>> >>have learned from your questions, guesses, and
> >>> answers but you cannot put
> >>> >>the footnotes at the end of the line or
> sentence
> >>> unless they refer to the
> >>> >>whole line or sentence. You should not leave
> a
> >>> space because it is then
> >>> >>unclear what that "lone, lorn" number is doing
> >>> there. Evan, the one
> >>> >>Braille reader I know, says the number does
> not
> >>> interfere with his screen
> >>> >>reader but even Evan is only one person.
> Perhaps
> >>> the question could be
> >>> >>asked at least of all braille-reader users.
> Until
> >>> then I would leave the
> >>> >>number without a space next to the word to
> which
> >>> it applies. If sighted
> >>> >>College freshman composition students can
> figure
> >>> it out I would lay odds
> >>> >>that blind high-school freshman who have had
> to
> >>> compensate for works not
> >>> >>consider by their sighted friends can do so a
> lot
> >>> quicker. All my blind
> >>> >>friends did.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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> Thanks to everyone who responded. As I suspected,
> it seems there is no
> true standard for presenting footnote numbers so,
> for the time being, I
> think I'll leave them as is. If the person who
> validates this wishes to
> change them, it's fine by me.
> Abrazos,
> Bobbie
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