[bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list: more books by Elie Weisel
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:34:13 -0700 (PDT)
Well, to say that a book contains profanity (the word I couldn't think of
before of before or explicit sex or violence or torture obscenities is stating
facts rather than opinion--though I admit that "strong language might be
opinion. smile. Putting these in the synopsis is preferable, I think. I use the
review for expressing my opinion as to whether the book is we ell-written or,
is perhaps outlandish but worth reading or is dull--that sort of thing
Cindy
Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and books-being-scanned
list available at sites below
Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
Books Being Scanned List:
https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list: more books by Elie Weisel
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:46 PM
> It would work for me. Like I said, I
> am all for the disemination of information and such labels
> would be informational, not an imposition. Admittedly, I
> might be a bit perplexed if a book is labeled as containing
> strong language and I read it and find myself asking where
> is the strong language. That has happened to me on several
> occasions with NLS books. That is why I tend to think that
> such labels belong in the reviews section. That is where
> opinions belong. In fact, if you look up a book entitled
> "When Wizards Rule" you will find that I wrote a review that
> amounts to -- even if I was not thinking of it that way when
> I wrote it -- a label that the book contains explicit
> descriptions of sex.
>
>
> _ _ _
>
> "As a woman I have no country. As a woman my country is the
> world"
> Virginia Woolf
>
> The Militant:
> http://www.themilitant.com
> Pathfinder Press:
> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> Granma International:
> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "gwen tweedy" <gstweedy@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:50 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list: more books by
> Elie Weisel
>
>
> > I didn't think of that.
> > Couldn't they take the adult content off altogether
> and just put the little labels on there the tags of what is
> in them and not rate them would that work?
> > Gwen
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Smith"
> <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:17 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list: more
> books by Elie Weisel
> >
> >
> >> The reason many consider it censorship is that,
> only those over 18 are able to download the books marked
> adult content. There are some books, or so I've heard, that
> are marked adult content, but are required reading for high
> school students. Most high school students aren't over 18,
> and therefore, couldn't download the books. When I was in
> high school, I read several books that could be marked as
> having adult content.
> >>
> >> Melissa Smith
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/27/2010 4:10 PM, gwen tweedy wrote:
> >>> But I'm not talking about Censorship, in
> fact it wouldn't be censorship at all.
> >>> It would just be telling about the
> language content or other in the book. It
> wouldn't mean a person couldn't read it, nor would it mean
> anyone was trying to stop them from reading it.
> >>> It would just mean if a person didn't want to
> stumble upon it, they wouldn't need to that is all.
> >>> To me there is no censorship to it.
> >>> Because it's not telling you can nor can't,
> nor is it barring any books.
> >>> It's simply a designation for those who feel
> more comfortable knowing fully what they are down loading.
> >>> TV says PG-13 R G and on it goes, does that
> mean people don't watch the shows oh and I forgot X-rating
> in movies or shows, does that mean folks don't nor can't
> watch them.
> >>> Certainly not, a body can do what a person
> wants and likes, it is simply a label designation.
> >>> It doesn't mean a person can, nor a person
> can't! It means absolutely nothing, except a designation.
> >>> I guess I don't feel that is censorship.
> >>> If you were told what to do and not to do, if
> the head here said no no we can't have this or that book up,
> then you'd have real reason to call it censorship, because
> then they would be squelching your rights as you would see
> them.
> >>> But no one has done that, nor will they.
> >>> It is the same access to the same books no
> lock and key, just simply letters for those who wish to know
> what is in it.
> >>> Nothing more, nothing less no censorship
> involved.
> >>> Gwen
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger
> Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:29 PM
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list:
> more books by Elie Weisel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Bingo! And I am one of those who does not
> check it for anything., As far as I am concerned it is
> completely unjustified to prohibit anyone from reading
> anything he or she wants because of status. Can you imagine
> it if some self appointed member of the morality police
> decided that people who are blind should not be allowed to
> read certain things because it happens to offend that
> morality policeman's sensibilities without regard to how the
> blind person might feel about it?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _ _
> _
> >>>>
> >>>> "As a woman I have no country. As a woman
> my country is the world"
> >>>> Virginia Woolf
> >>>>
> >>>> The Militant:
> >>>> http://www.themilitant.com
> >>>> Pathfinder Press:
> >>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> >>>> Granma International:
> >>>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "Melissa Smith" <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:02 AM
> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish
> list: more books by Elie Weisel
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The reason that the designation
> doesn't make a lot of sense, is that the proofer can uncheck
> or check the adult content designation. Many feel that the
> adult content is a form of censorship, and don't check it
> for anything.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Melissa Smith
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/27/2010 1:32 AM, John J. Boyer
> wrote:
> >>>>>> It is easy for anyone to download
> books that are full of sex scenes, and
> >>>>>> not even "nice" sex. I've been
> disappointed by some books of Robert
> >>>>>> Heinlein. Any child can download
> these. I'll probably change my setting
> >>>>>> to include "adult" books, since
> the designation seems not to make much
> >>>>>> sense.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:25:23AM
> -0500, Valerie Maples wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Someone told us that there is
> an actual standard because of the grant that rates books
> based on word frequencies and situations that cause them to
> generate the adult material designation. I do believe the F.
> word is one of the ones that is considered serious and is an
> automatic designation. A series of moderate occurrences can
> also generate the adult designation. It makes sense that
> there would be a criterion with so many books being
> available to young readers so that it would remove
> accidental inappropriate downloads.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Having said that, apparently
> there were a couple of books that could find no reason for
> those designations, those they allowed a proofreader to
> remove it if there was absolutely no risk to young readers.
> I'm not trying to start a controversy here, just state what
> I was told how the adult designation came to be utilized. As
> a parent, even though Nichole is not completely independent
> in downloading, I am grateful that there is some boundary.
> It is easy enough for a child to get an exemption with
> parental approval.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Valerie
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2010, at 11:59 PM,
> Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some books get marked as
> adult because the proofreader finds the material to be very
> sensitive. I only mark books adult if they are sexually
> graphic but often Bookshare takes and marks my books adult
> for me. I find the Penny Warner books about the small town
> newspaper reporter who is deaf always get marked adult
> because she is fond of the f word. Her sex scenes are always
> very very very bland so it isn't the few and far between sex
> scenes, it has to be her colorful language.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've scanned many other
> books which Bookshare automatically marked adult and as the
> scanner I cannot unmark it. Only the proofreader can do it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm told that many Elie
> Weisel books are now required reading in high schools these
> days so probably Bookshare should be made aware of the
> situation so they can assess it.
> >>>>>>>>
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