lol G.Cindy --- Gary Petraccaro <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Actually, it's rtfm, <grin>. The first word is > Read, the last word is > Manual. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:05 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Google Desktop Broke > my Bookshare Books > > > > What is RTM? > > > > G.Cindy > > > > --- Allison Hilliker <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > >> I don't happen to have RTM parents. Mostly > because > >> they aren't the type to > >> read manuals themselves. I probably do it more > than > >> they do. An > >> interesting story is when my mom was trying to > set > >> up her Gmail account on > >> Outlook Express. I tried talking her through it, > >> but it wasn't working. So > >> I went to Gmail's website, found the OE > instructions > >> and printed them out > >> for her. I told her to follow them and ask me > >> questions as they come up. > >> She quickly grew frustrated and gave up. So then > I > >> tried my dad, and asked > >> him to set up OE for my mom and I gave him the > same > >> printed sheet of > >> directions. He couldn't do it either! And > >> personally I think they were > >> some of the most straight-forward directions I've > >> seen. I asked him some > >> basics about his perception of the instructions, > and > >> it was clear that he > >> had no grasp of what he was about to do. That > >> situation finally ended by me > >> installing JAWS on my mom's computer and setting > up > >> her OE for her myself. > >> So, basically, my point is, to some extent, we're > >> products of our > >> environment. Monica's dad encouraged her to read > >> the manual, and she does > >> that still today. My parents aren't manual > people, > >> and as a result, > >> neither am I. Although I've learned to be to > some > >> extent. Perhaps Monica's > >> dad's way is better, but mine is just how it is. > >> > >> Monica mentioned that part of her dad's reason > >> behind making her learn the > >> computer herself is so that she can use a > computer > >> as well as sighted > >> people. I've never had any doubts about that. I > >> always figure I'm about as > >> good of computer user as I would be sighted. I > too > >> hesitate to ask computer > >> questions of sighted people. That's not however > >> because I feel inferior to > >> them, it's simply because our techniques for > >> performing similar tasks are > >> just very different. > >> > >> Interesting topic. > >> > >> Best, > >> Allison > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:40 PM > >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Google Desktop > Broke > >> my Bookshare Books > >> > >> > >> > Hi, Cindy. You know, in one way, I agree with > you. > >> In another, I > >> > understand what my dad is doing. He's requiring > me > >> to be as independent > >> > as possible, to only rely on a sighted person > if > >> it's absolutely > >> > necessary. He has done that since I was eight > >> years old and got my first > >> > computer. They didn't have a functioning > >> screenreader at that point, and > >> > he still made me learn to type and write > >> programming on it. Now over 25 > >> > years later, I'm able to handle things well on > >> most computers, even if I > >> > lose speech for awhile. So for me, with my > >> personality and my situation, > >> > I think my dad actually did me a favor. He > helps > >> me without complaint if > >> > it's something I really can't do. When he tells > me > >> to "RTM," I take it > >> > as a reminder of his love for me and his faith > >> that I can work it out if > >> > I put my mind to it. If I've read the help > files > >> and am still stuck, I > >> > do get the help I need. > >> > > >> > Monica Willyard > >> > > >> > > >> > Grandma Cindy wrote: > >> >> Thank goodness my husband is not like your > dad. > >> He's > >> >> willing to help when I run into a problem even > >> when > >> >> it's one I've been told before how to deal > with > >> and > >> >> have forgotten because I didn't write it down. > >> smile > >> >> > >> >> G.Cindy > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email > to > >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject > >> line. 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