Something seems to be wrong with my first sentence below. I have tried to send this three different times and I get a message from encartis--so I am filling these first lines with explanation or junk hoping my paragraph below will get send. I think, from looking at books that have been returned to the download page, and especially now that books with minor errors will be returned with the validator's corrections intact, that the kinds of errors meant that submitter might be able to fix tht validator cannot are things like Sue's blank page and very often, lack of copyright information, misspellings of title or author, missing pages, usually only one. In those kind of cases, the validator would have done the main work of validation but, not having the book, as the submitter did, would not necessarily notice that a page is missing (though admittedly if he/she had actually read the book while validating or did a final pagination check or that the copyright info was wrong. Bookshare's assumption would be that the original submitter can get the book again and provide that information--correct that error--but the validator should get validation credit. The submitter would still get the submission credit. Perhaps some of you who write very well, e.g., Lissi, Monica, etc., can write a clearer explanation of part of the newsletter and Pavi can add it and send out a revision. Note that the newsletter was sent to all volunteers (I think). Those of us who subscribe to the volunteer email list write to each other when a page is garbled or missing or the copyright info is not readable in the scan or is missing, but the ones not on the list don't. And I don't think anyone, submitter or validator, checks the download list regularly to see if a book has been sent back to it, so I was *really* happy to see that both will be notified if a book is sent back for a correction. smile Cindy > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I'm going to paste here a section from the latest > volunteer > > newsletter with wich I am not very happy. > > > > from now on books will be returned to the download > list with a "Hold for > > Validator or Submitter". Depending on the nature > of the correction, and/or > > who is best able to make the correction, either the > submitter or the > > validator will re-upload the book. If re-edits are > uploaded by the > > submitter, either the submitter or the validator > should write to us > > requesting that validation credits be transferred from > the submitter to > > the > > appropriate validator. We will make the transfer > accordingly. > > > > Uh, if a validator hasn't done a job complete > enough for a book to > > be included in the bookshare collection, and the > submitter makes > > corrections > > that a validator should have made, that validator > should not get credit. > > The validator should have contacted the submitter > either directly or via > > bookshare staff before uploading to fix things that > need fixing. What's > > the > > deal with giving people credit for work not done? > > > > These are just my opinions, but as a submitter, I > don't have any > > intention of fixing errors in a book that I submit if > the validator is > > going > > to get credit for not having done the work. > > > > Mayrie > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I am not happy. > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 7:25 PM > Dear Booksharian Friends, > > I'm confused by the portion of the newsletter Mayrie > cited. > > Here is the part I don't understand. > > If re-edits are uploaded by the submitter, either the > submitter or the > validator should write to us requesting that validation > credits be > transferred from the submitter to the appropriate > validator. We will make > the transfer accordingly. > > These are some of my questions. > > Is it meant that in making the transfer accordingly, a > submittor will lose > credit for the submission? > > How can staff know which volunteer, other than physically > scanning a book, > did the most work to prepare it? > > A submittor may not notice their book has been placed back > on the download > list. They may assume it is still being validated. > > If the submittor makes the corrections, why would he or she > ask the staff to > credit the validator? > > As it is now, the staff are the only ones who know the > identities of the > submittors and validators. Wouldn't it be more > efficient to contact them > directly? > > Does this policy include books taken from the collection > and reworked by a > single party to improve their accuracy? > > Who is to say who is best suited to make the corrections, > especially if the > validator doesn't know who submitted the book or the > submittor doesn't know > who validated? > > What does the phrase appropriate validator mean? Can this > be a second > validator who undertakes to make the corrections the > original validator > overlooked? > > If the submittor reuploads a book, why is the policy for > the submittor or > validator to write to the staff about it. If the submittor > did the work, how > would the validator even know to write to the staff? > > Hold fors aren't always respected. What if a person not > the submittor or > validator takes the book and reuploads it? > > Is Bookshare still going to reject books? Will books that > would have been > rejected now be replaced on the download page with, > "hold for S/V? > > This isn't meant as criticism. The policy appears to be > complex and in need > of clarification. > > Any thoughts or cogent interpretations? > > Always with love, > > Lissi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:21 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] I am not happy. > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I'm going to paste here a section from the latest > volunteer > > newsletter with wich I am not very happy. > > > > from now on books will be returned to the download > list with a "Hold for > > Validator or Submitter". Depending on the nature > of the correction, and/or > > who is best able to make the correction, either the > submitter or the > > validator will re-upload the book. If re-edits are > uploaded by the > > submitter, either the submitter or the validator > should write to us > > requesting that validation credits be transferred from > the submitter to > > the > > appropriate validator. We will make the transfer > accordingly. > > > > Uh, if a validator hasn't done a job complete > enough for a book to > > be included in the bookshare collection, and the > submitter makes > > corrections > > that a validator should have made, that validator > should not get credit. > > The validator should have contacted the submitter > either directly or via > > bookshare staff before uploading to fix things that > need fixing. What's > > the > > deal with giving people credit for work not done? > > > > These are just my opinions, but as a submitter, I > don't have any > > intention of fixing errors in a book that I submit if > the validator is > > going > > to get credit for not having done the work. > > > > Mayrie > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject line. To get a list > > of available commands, put the word 'help' by > itself in the subject line. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject > line. To get a list of available commands, put the word > 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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