Hi Terry,
Yahoo! I'm so glad the work around did the job. Makes my day. Smile.
Judy
Nov 15, 2022 12:41:04 PM t.gorman <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Judy,
What a great work around! Thanks. It’s always good to have a reminder of
something one knows in the background but forgets.
The book is now perfect. And, again, I found some italic that shouldn’t have
been and wouldn’t have been discovered except by some braille or print reader
in the final product!
*From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *Judy
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2022 12:12 PM
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Italic page numbers
Hi Terry,
It sounds like the replace field isn't getting the switch to turn italics off
correctly set when you tab into that field and hold down the control key then
tap i twice in a row.
I have a kludgy work around you can try if you can't get that darn replace
field to toggle to no italics.
Each time you find an italicized number, you can switch from the find dialog
box to the document by holding down the alt key then tapping the tab key.
When you do this the italicized number will still be selected in the
document. Type control i to switch it back to non italicized. Then tap the
arrow key either up or to the left to unselect the number. Hot key back to
the still open find dialog box and select find to go to the next italicized
number.
I hope this helps. I hate it when software misbehaves like this!
Judy
Nov 15, 2022 11:48:04 AM t.gorman <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi Judy,
This adventure has shown a glitch in JAWS. In the “find and replace”
location, JAWS says “italic off” each time you press control-I rather than
changing its announcement to reflect what the computer screen reads. I’ve
informed Vispero’s support about this and hopefully they’ll reproduce the
problem and fix it.
I’m able to find italic numbers (and I found some that shouldn’t have been
like years l997 instead of 1997 and all the page numbers in the table of
contents, so your search has allowed me to fix those by showing me they were
there and using various techniques.
I could have killed all the italics in the book and avoided the problem but
this book has many record album names which should of course be in italics.
Now the question is: I can find the italic numbers but how do I change them.
What happens when I press “replace” is that Word jumps to “find next” and
leaves the italic in place.
Do you think there is a solution to this?
Whether we find a solution or not, this book will be better because of your
help.
*From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *Judy
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2022 1:24 AM
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Italic page numbers
Hi Terry,
This works in all versions of Word, including the most recent 365.
It sounds like you missed the step of checking the "use wildcards" options
maybe? Or the search for italics didn't get turned on. What you are
describing sounds like that.
Here's slightly different instructions for getting ready to do a wildcard
search in 365 of any previous version:
Press Ctrl+H to open Find and Replace dialog box.
To use wildcard characters, click the More button, and select the Use
wildcards checkbox in the Find and Replace dialog box.
Next, Italic on is in a drop down box in the find and replace dialog box.
However, I've learned from Deborah that sometimes that drop down box isn't
accessible with a screen reader for unknown reasons. That's why you want to
click into the search field where you are going to paste the visual basic
code and use the keyboard shortcut of holding down the control key and
tapping the i key once. That will turn on the "search for italicized
characters" option. After you do that, paste or type in this exact string:
([0-9]{1,3})^13
The curly braces are specific instructions used in the visual basic language.
You'll then want to place your cursor in the replace field, hold down the
control key and press i i (two i characters in a row). That will tell the
replace that it is to use the non italic font. After you do that, type or
paste in this exact string of characters: \1^13
Then start searching as usual.
If that doesn't work for you then we might be stuck, unfortunately.
Judy
Nov 14, 2022 7:16:52 PM t.gorman <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi Judy,
I tried this but I can’t get it to work.
Starting with the first step, if I open find and replace to a non-italic
character in the file, I’m not presented with “italic on” as an option. So I
moved to a known italic page number, parked the cursor there, and followed
the steps but got “no results found.” Perhaps something has changed in the
most recent version of MS Word.
I’ll continue manually changing these page numbers unless you come back with
a new idea. Of course I could be doing something incorrect.
I assume the open and close brace characters are intended. These are unusual.
I pasted your steps in rather than typing them. I did not search for any
particular page number.
*From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *Judy s.
*Sent:* Monday, November 14, 2022 7:04 PM
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Italic page numbers
Hi Terry,
I hope it works well for you. Visual Basic is a full programming language,
and truly is quite powerful. Word incorporates a slightly nonstandard version
of Visual Basic inside of it.The macros you use in Word are based on that
Visual Basic, as sort of preprogrammed modules you can create without having
to do any coding per se.
The little code for changing the italics breaks down like this:
The (0-9) means "for any digit from zero to 9" and the {1,3} says "for every
number that is from 1 to three digits in length, or in other words every
number from 0 to 999. Adding the ^13 makes it only look for numbers that are
the last set of characters in a paragraph.
Done this way, it correctly grabs numbers like 222 or 987, and not just the
individual digits that make up the number.
If you have a sentence that ends a paragraph that ends in a number, it will
find that, which is why you can't use this as a global find and replace. That
can happen especially in nonfiction books that have dates at the end of a
paragraph, like November 14, 2022, but only if the date isn't followed by any
punctuation.
Because it is so cryptic, it is really easy to make mistakes via typos that
can do some crazy things! smile.
Judy
On 11/14/2022 6:30 PM, t.gorman (t.gorman) wrote:
Judy,
Thanks for this. I’ll try it out on a copy and see what happens. I never
learned this kind of programming. Looks powerful!
*From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *Judy s.
*Sent:* Monday, November 14, 2022 6:22 PM
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Italic page numbers
Hi Terry,
Here's the wildcard search that should help you find and replace italicized
page numbers. Let me know if it does anything screwy or doesn't work the way
you expect it to.
How To Replace any italicized page number from 1 to 3 digits in length with
the same number, making sure it is not italicized:
In the following example, the page numbers are always followed by a hard
paragraph mark, which they ordinarily would be in a scan for Bookshare. When
you use a wildcard search, however, you can't use ^p as that is interpreted
as something else by visual basic. Instead, use ^13 as that is the paragraph
mark visual basic recognizes.
1. In the "find and replace" box for Word, turn on italicization by placing
your cursor in the "find what" field and type a ctrl-i. This will set the
font characteristic to italicization on.
2. In the find field then type in:
([0-9]{1,3})^13
3. Tab to the "replace with" field. Turn off italicization by placing your
cursor in the box and then typing ctrl-i and then typing ctrl-i again. This
will set the font characteristic to italicization off.
4. In the replace with field type in:
\1^13
5. In the "more" drop down box select "Use Wildcards"
Now search for each instance. Do not do a global replace!! It will mess with
every italicized number in the document if you do that.
When you are done fixing all of your page numbers, make sure to turn off the
"use wildcards" in the "more" drop down box or all of a sudden it will seem
like none of your searches are finding anything.
I don't use Word to proofread anymore, as I proofread using Google Docs on an
Android device, but if there are other repetitive weirdnesses in Word I may
be able to help with wildcard type searches from what I used to do.
--
Judy s.
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On 11/14/2022 4:30 PM, t.gorman (t.gorman) wrote:
Hi Judy,
I’d be interested in that wild card if you find it.
I have some Word macros of my own. If somebody wants them and can tell me how
to share them I could do that.
One converts footnote numbers which I number with asterisks to account for
them and check them for accuracy to superscripts without the asterisk as
required by the manual. Some of the Oxford University books have up to 1600
footnotes so this macro, even though I have to press it once for each
footnote, still reduces the number of operations tremendously.
Another macro takes a scanned index which usually runs on without proper
linebreaks to have mostly proper linebreaks. You still have to read the index
but it’s mostly fixed in that one regard.
A third macro takes a title which I’ve preceded with a number sign and
changes its attributes to bold and 16 point I don’t have one for subentries
at 14 and bold so have to do those manually. I should make one for that but
I’m too computer phobic to do it.
While one can do these things manually as you go through the book I prefer to
have this process which I do at the end. It’s more accurate than if I expect
my brain to jump from one thing to another as I’m working on the book.
*Does anyone else have macros you’d like to tell us about?*
* *
*I bet there are some internally within Bookshare to make the work easier.*
* *
*I’ve thought of making one to do some other automated operations but global
replacements are risky.*
* *
*I use qz to mark my place in a book. I was quite surprised recently when I
encountered a web site with the URL qz.com[https://qz.com].*
* *
*I use qq to mark things I want a sighted volunteer to check with me. That
letter combinations I found is used in some Arab languages.*
* *
*Well, life and proofing are both interesting!*
* *
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<bksvol-discuss-bounce@freelistsorg>[bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Judy
*Sent:* Monday, November 14, 2022 3:23 PM
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Italic page numbers
Hi Terry,
I'm pretty sure, but not 100 percent positive, that the Bookshare converter
changes italicized page numbers to ordinary. However, I think it's best to
ask Amanda this one.
If it doesn't, I have a Word wildcard search around somewhere in my archive
of Bookshare proofreading notes that I can look for that makes it easier to
do this.
Judy
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