[bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles

  • From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:58:59 -0400

Dear Grand Cindy,

About protecting titles at the tops of pages, I agree with you, Cindy, that a guaranteed way to protect them is to have a blank line, the page number, and a blank line above them. I appreciate your thoughtfulness in moving page numbers to the tops of pages. You go the extra mile with everything you do for Bookshare and for us volunteers and book wishers.

It is so much easier for children using braille displays to find the page numbers at the tops of the pages when they are searching for a page.

Imagine you're in first grade. The teacher asks you to turn to page 14. You are little and reading isn't all that easy for you yet. You search for page 14, but when you find it the text after the 14 is different than what the rest of the kids see. Your sighted teacher who isn't all that savvy of braille devices doesn't realize that you found the page you were asked to find, but that it was at the bottom of the page so you are looking at the material on page 15. It's confusing to you because sometimes when you search for a page, the correct page number puts you where you want to go. Then sometimes you have to search for the page before the page you want, 13, to find 14. You are a little young to know this and your parents, Sunday school teacher, school teacher, family and friends may not know it, either. It's confusing for you because your books aren't standardized and you can't know what to expect from each new book.

It' takes extra time to move page numbers to the tops of pages, but it is a true help to those of us at any age who read with braille display equipment.

Today my most recently validated book, Junie B. First Grader Shipwrecked was approved. I started every page with a blank line, a page number and another blank line. I just downloaded it and found the page numbers at the tops of the pages where I hoped they'd be. All of the chapter names were there, too. On pages with chapter titles I format with the following pattern.

page break
first line, blank
second line, page number
third line, blank,
fourth line, chapter name
fifth line, blank
sixth line, begin text

At the bottom of every page I make sure there's one blank line after the text before the page break.

One final thought. putting page numbers at the tops of pages may differ from their placement in the print book, but the integrity of the content and intent of the author remain in tact. Braille readers will thank you and I believe print readers benefit too.

Always with love,

Lissi

----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:45 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles


I think someone said that a page number also protects chapter titles from the stripper. For that reason, plus the fact that Lissi posted at one time, when the discussion about page numbers was taking place, that it's easier for her and, though I may be misremembering, blind people to find the page numberes when they are at the top of the page, I have been putting all page numbers at the top--with, of course, a line space --paragraph mark--before and after the page number.

G.Cindy

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--- On Thu, 5/15/08, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles
To: "bookshare volunteer discussion" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2008, 10:03 PM
I just wanted to give you kind folks a follow-up on the
missing story titles
in the Theodore Sturgeon collections.

Originally, I noticed that just about all the titles of the
stories in one
of these collections was missing. My first thought was to
blame the
validator for not noticing this obvious error and fixing
it. It turned out
that Misha was the hapless recipient of my anger, and I
know that he's a
careful validator and wouldn't let something like that
go. So then I thought
of the scannor, which was Carrie. Carrie is also an
excellent scannor and
wouldn't let something like that get by. I was
beginning to think of things
like divine intervention and demon posession.

I asked Carrie to send me the original document which was
submitted by the
validator, which she did, and "ah ha!" those
ppesky titles were in place. In
fact, they seemed to be grinning up at me as if to say...
but, I digress.

It turns out that the infamous stripper was doing the dirty
to this
collection.

A short check of the bookshare collection shows that there
are three other
collections of Mr. Sturgeon's stories missing story
titles in the bookshare
collection.

I have just uploaded those three books with, I hope, story
titles in tact.
It turns out that
the solution is quite simple: I simply put a paragraph mark
before and after
all page breaks, and that damned stripper is fooled into
leaving my titles
alone.

Just wanted to give a follow-up to this pesky problem.

Bob

"Strippers belong in bars, not
libraries."--Author unknown.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:34 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles


> hmm, makes me wonder if the "stripper,"
should be used at all? Aren't we
> sophisticated enough by this time to handle the
vagaries of what is
> needed?
> Or, maybe not?
>
> Curtis Delzer
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Devorah Greenstein"
<DGreenstein@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:31 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles
>
>
> Ouch ouch. Like Bob, I am more confused now. Plus I
don't have the
> benefit of ever experiencing what these books are like
after I validate
> them because I'm sighted. So it's like
dropping many hours of work into
> a black hole and hoping for the best. And I, like many
of you guys, am a
> perfectionist. So I go over every word, check
spellings in weird foreign
> names, check everything, make it as perfect as I can,
and upload it.
>
> But then what is happening to my work?
>
> I always do the wonderful ^p^m^p thing so that there
are blank lines on
> either side of the page breaks. But I have NOT been
re-typing each page
> number on the top of a page if the page numbers are at
the bottom.
>
> I have left page numbers at the bottom of the page. Am
I now correct in
> my understanding that they all get wiped out? Even if
there is a blank
> line between the page number and the following page
break?
>
> I do put a page number on the top of the first page of
a chapter. It
> just makes sense to do that. But is it mandatory put
all other page
> numbers at the top of each page?
>
> If the mysterious stripper is so smart can't it
tell numeric characters
> from alphabetic characters and leave numeric page
numbers at the bottom
> of the page?
>
> Devorah
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