No, same subject, different aspect. I think at CSUN a couple of years ago I had to ask, or be told, how to guide Donna to the restaurant. I didn't know whether she should take my arm or I should take hers. She took charge and told me. I wouldn't think of taking a person's hand, though, just because I don't think it's very effective. Cindy --- Lora <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > What you say is true. Regrettably, we live in a > dangerous world. If I'd > been more uneasy, I might have shoved him away, > which could be dangerous for > him in the middle of an intersection. > > I also think you're right about more physical > contact. A new acquaintance, > when offering to guide me in a restaurant (a > courtesy I will accept, because > the restaurants I tend to go to seem to have lots of > cramped spaces and > such), slipped my hand in his to guide. I pulled my > hand back and took his > arm. I wouldn't have minded flirting with him, but > he's married, and so > even holding hands seems off limits to me. Maybe > that's an entirely > different subject, though. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Elizabeth and > Burton > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:23 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful > People > > Reality is grabbing someone, particularly a woman > without asking first is a > stressful and possibly dangerous experience for the > person being grabbed. I > understand the need to help. I will stress in the > book what we all know and > have been trying to stress and will use humor to do > it. The human being is > equipped with a mouth and the ability to use it. > Please let's learn the > following phrases. Repeat after me children: > "May I pet your dog." > "Do you need help." > alternatives to "Do you need help" include "Are you > all right?" > > The implicit thing often thought is "I am worried > about you. Do you need > help?" (can I stop worrying) and the other question > is "I have nobody to > help and here is a person I can help." I do not > like this attitude much > since I dislike being an object attracting folks who > feel so non-needed and > attracting them for their needs not my help By the > way, you can tell that > kind. Those are the ones who keep insisting and > hang on after you have said > you do not need help. > > On a more ominous note, I think there are men who > physically grab blind > women for the same reason they would like to grab or > touch a woman or any > kind. You can tell this kind because he is the one > who tries to cop a feel > of my tit while I am hholding his arm to cross a > street. > > Bottom line, I thin, is that anyone needs to be at > least a bit concerned > about somebody grabbing them particularly in > situations where he might be > trying to pick your pocket or such. The fact is > many of that kind are put > off some by dogs. > > I also think women who are blind get physically > contacted more than do blind > men. Somebody from AFB wrote a NY Times article > about it a few years ago. > I will do my best to get ahold of it. I want AFB in > on the book project in > some way, by the way. > > This thing really might take off. > > E. > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject > line. To get a list of > available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in > the subject line. > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject > line. To get a list of available commands, put the > word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.