[bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
Kenneth,
I haven't read to the end of the 70+ posts sitting in
my mailbox, so maybe I'm repeating what someone else
has said, but...
Go head and submit the Faulkner. You can put the
rating that you think the book has--and I understand
you do excellent scans. Put in the long synopsis about
Faulkner's punctuation and dialect. The validator can
do the same thing. Some of the books I've validated,
with dialect and proper non-English names, have been
automatically rated Excellent on the step two page and
I don't have to change it. I don't know how it rates
it--maybe it just keeps the submitter's rating.
As to the Table of Contents, if you tell me the book
or volume and send me the contents page I can fix it
and send it back to you. Or if you don't mind doing it
yourself and you have a sighted person to advise you,
just put the correct page numbers on the same line as
the chapter name. I've seen books where the page
numbers are all in a column underneath the chapter
titles. All that needs to be done is to take them one
by one and put them, separate by a few spaces, next to
the chapter title. Don't even worry about lining them
up.
Cindy
--- Kenneth Cross <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I would like to reply to this message to make a few
> observations, but I hope
> my comments won't be regarded as critical. I really
> believe that the
> question of quality is much less important than the
> question of utility.
> For example, I just finished scanning a two volume
> biography of William
> Faulkner, and I am not sure I will submit it. I
> can't get the contents
> pages to scan showing the pagination properly,
> perhaps not too important
> because BookShare takes off the page numbers
> anyway. Beyond that, some
> pages are mostly pictures and, while I have caught
> and changed most of
> these, some may still be there. So about
> two-thousand pages of information
> about Faulkner may rest contented only on my
> computer. But learning about
> Faulkner is interesting, some would say important.
> Actually, using a quality
> standard no Faulkner books should be on BookShare,
> because as normally
> printed there is much punctuation he omitted, many
> small instead of
> non-capital i's, long spaces, etc. The same kind of
> statement is true of E.
> E. Cummings.
>
> Now I certainly hope Faulkner, Cummings, and similar
> authors are not kept
> off BookShare, just as I wonder why it is important
> to submit end-notes
> which refer to page numbers BookShare has stripped,
> and I think we have to
> be careful not to reject highly scholarly books just
> because the "quality"
> is not appropriate. The simplest books are easy to
> scan; the ones most
> required for research are much more difficult, but
> also much more useful for
> advancement and employment, factors which are
> doubtless used by BookShare in
> its fund-raising. .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:13 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be
> interested in quantity
>
>
> > You'd be surprised by what publishers release.
> But your point is still
> > well
> > taken. We have the obligation to place on
> Bookshare's virtual shelves,
> > books in the same quality that originated from the
> publisher house.
> >
> > Pratik
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Robert Riddle
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:43 AM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
> be interested in quantity
> >
> > Goes back to the laziness thing I was talking
> about earlier. A publisher
> > wouldn't release a book full of the author's
> typos. Why should we release
> > a
> > sloppy book?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:37 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
> be interested in quantity
> >
> >
> >> You are right that it is almost worse than the
> book not being there at
> >> all - wanting to read it, knowing that you
> theoretically could, but that
> >> it will be so messy and perhaps totally
> unintelligible in parts. it is a
> >> painful situation to be in.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "solsticesinger"
> <solsticesinger25@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:17 PM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
> be interested in
> >> quantity
> >>
> >>
> >>>I won't touch a fair book either. In fact, if I'm
> going through the
> >>>collection, in search of something I want to
> read, and find out that's
> >>>only "fair", I tend to be rather disappointed.
> It's almost worse than the
> >>>book not being there at all.
> >>>
> >>> Shannon
> >>> solsticesinger25@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:44 AM
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
> be interested in
> >>> quantity
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I believe that you are correct. And perhaps it
> is the proper strategy
> >>>>at
> >>>> this point, though I'm not certain of it. One
> thought process might be
> >>>> that
> >>>> it's important in the first few years of
> Bookshare's life to build
> >>>> numbers,
> >>>> to show that the collection can grow when
> driven by the needs and wants
> >>>> of
> >>>> the blind membership.
> >>>>
> >>>> On the other hand, many people, myself
> included, won't touch a fair
> >>>> book,
> >>>> and would argue that they don't really count as
> a part of the
> >>>> collection as
> >>>> they are of such inferior quality.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why do I envision myself like Tevia ... He's
> right ... No, he's right.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah, just rambling.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lora
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of E.
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:32 AM
> >>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bookshare seems to be
> interested in quantity
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect that bookshare still wants to give
> most of the monetary
> >>>> reward
> >
> >>>> to
> >>>> the person submitting the book rather than the
> person validating it and
> >>>> so
> >>>> is not likely to make the difference more
> "equitable" as you want. I
> >>>> base
> >>>> this suspicion on the fact that bookshare still
> permits submits of poor
> >>>> quality books rather than raising the bar,
> thereby making less work for
> >>>> validators and improving the quality of
> bookshare's collection.
> >>>> Bookshare
> >>>> for now seems to want to keep the bar low and
> strive for quantity.
> >>>>
> >>>> E.
> >>>> At 07:15 AM 9/26/2006, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi Monica,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I do understand that some people validate for
> credits, and there's
> >>>>>nothing at all wrong with that. On the other
> hand, many of the people
> >>>>>on this list, yourself included, strike me as
> dedicated, and willing to
> >>>>>do a good job for Bookshare at the same time.
> Originally, Evan I think
> >>>>>it was, said that by offering more money,
> people would just rush
> >>>>>through their validations to get the credits.
> Although this may be
> >>>>>true for some, I still find it hard to believe
> that most volunteers
> >>>>>would do that. Didn't someone say that only
> seven people paid for
> >>>>>their
> >>>> memberships through their volunteer efforts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On the other hand, I'd rather see the pay scale
> changed entirely.
> >>>>>Perhaps
> >>>>>$2 for submissions, and $1 for validation,
> would balance the scales
> >>>>>more equably.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>This would balance so that 25 submissions, or
> 50 validations, would pay
> >>>>>for a renewal of membership.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>And if offering more for validations would
> cause people to race through
> >>>>>a validation, offering less would seem to
> encourage people to race even
> >>>>>faster. After all, if I'll only make fifty
> cents per validation, that
> >>>>>means I'll have to validate 100 books to get
> through the renewal
> >>>>>process. Better validate real fast!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Monica
> >>>>>Willyard
> >>>>>Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:50 PM
> >>>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a sort of raise
> for validators
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hi, Cindy. I have a scanner and use Openbook
> to scan. What I was
> >>>>>trying to say is that without credits, I
> wouldn't do much on the
> >>>>>validating side of things. As it is, I do
> validation both for the
> >>>>>credit and because we have a pretty hefty step
> 1 page right now. Lora
> >>>>>was talking about not validating for credits,
> and that is what I was
> >>>>>responding to. (smile)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Monica Willyard
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Monday 9/25/2006 11:34 PM, you wrote:
> >>>>> >Monica,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >One gets so much more monetary credit for
> scanning, and all you'd
> >>>>> >really have to do after a scan is to check
> the copyright page and put
> >>>>> >the right info in the submission form; go
> through the book and be
> >>>>> >sure no pages have been omitted (we've all
> done that, and
> >>>>> >double-scanned a page, too); and delete junk
> characters; and run a
> >>>>> >spell-check. So you validate because you
> don't have a scanner? I
> >>>>> >think some can be had relatively
> inexpensively and it might pay you n
> >>>>> >the
> >>>> long run.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >I don't blame you at all for validating for
> the credits. I probably
> >>>>> >would work for the credits, too. I admit that
> in my lifetime I have
> >>>>> >volunteered my time and efforts rather than
> donated money, not only
> >>>>> >because I feel I'm being useful but because I
> don't have that much
> >>>>> >money to donate. smile
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >Cindy
> >>>>>
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