I will put them up this wek-end.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
Kenneth,
I haven't read to the end of the 70+ posts sitting in my mailbox, so maybe I'm repeating what someone else has said, but...
Go head and submit the Faulkner. You can put the rating that you think the book has--and I understand you do excellent scans. Put in the long synopsis about Faulkner's punctuation and dialect. The validator can do the same thing. Some of the books I've validated, with dialect and proper non-English names, have been automatically rated Excellent on the step two page and I don't have to change it. I don't know how it rates it--maybe it just keeps the submitter's rating.
As to the Table of Contents, if you tell me the book or volume and send me the contents page I can fix it and send it back to you. Or if you don't mind doing it yourself and you have a sighted person to advise you, just put the correct page numbers on the same line as the chapter name. I've seen books where the page numbers are all in a column underneath the chapter titles. All that needs to be done is to take them one by one and put them, separate by a few spaces, next to the chapter title. Don't even worry about lining them up.
Cindy
--- Kenneth Cross <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I would like to reply to this message to make a few observations, but I hope my comments won't be regarded as critical. I really believe that the question of quality is much less important than the question of utility. For example, I just finished scanning a two volume biography of William Faulkner, and I am not sure I will submit it. I can't get the contents pages to scan showing the pagination properly, perhaps not too important because BookShare takes off the page numbers anyway. Beyond that, some pages are mostly pictures and, while I have caught and changed most of these, some may still be there. So about two-thousand pages of information about Faulkner may rest contented only on my computer. But learning about Faulkner is interesting, some would say important. Actually, using a quality standard no Faulkner books should be on BookShare, because as normally printed there is much punctuation he omitted, many small instead of non-capital i's, long spaces, etc. The same kind of statement is true of E. E. Cummings.
Now I certainly hope Faulkner, Cummings, and similar
authors are not kept
off BookShare, just as I wonder why it is important
to submit end-notes
which refer to page numbers BookShare has stripped,
and I think we have to
be careful not to reject highly scholarly books just
because the "quality"
is not appropriate. The simplest books are easy to
scan; the ones most
required for research are much more difficult, but
also much more useful for
advancement and employment, factors which are
doubtless used by BookShare in
its fund-raising. .
----- Original Message ----- From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:13 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be
interested in quantity
> You'd be surprised by what publishers release.
But your point is still
> well
> taken. We have the obligation to place on
Bookshare's virtual shelves,
> books in the same quality that originated from the
publisher house.
>
> Pratik
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Robert Riddle
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:43 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
be interested in quantity
>
> Goes back to the laziness thing I was talking
about earlier. A publisher
> wouldn't release a book full of the author's
typos. Why should we release
> a
> sloppy book?
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:37 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
be interested in quantity
>
>
>> You are right that it is almost worse than the
book not being there at
>> all - wanting to read it, knowing that you
theoretically could, but that
>> it will be so messy and perhaps totally
unintelligible in parts. it is a
>> painful situation to be in.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "solsticesinger"
<solsticesinger25@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:17 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
be interested in
>> quantity
>>
>>
>>>I won't touch a fair book either. In fact, if I'm
going through the
>>>collection, in search of something I want to
read, and find out that's
>>>only "fair", I tend to be rather disappointed.
It's almost worse than the
>>>book not being there at all.
>>>
>>> Shannon
>>> solsticesinger25@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:44 AM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
be interested in
>>> quantity
>>>
>>>
>>>>I believe that you are correct. And perhaps it
is the proper strategy
>>>>at
>>>> this point, though I'm not certain of it. One
thought process might be
>>>> that
>>>> it's important in the first few years of
Bookshare's life to build
>>>> numbers,
>>>> to show that the collection can grow when
driven by the needs and wants
>>>> of
>>>> the blind membership.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, many people, myself
included, won't touch a fair
>>>> book,
>>>> and would argue that they don't really count as
a part of the
>>>> collection as
>>>> they are of such inferior quality.
>>>>
>>>> Why do I envision myself like Tevia ... He's
right ... No, he's right.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, just rambling.
>>>>
>>>> Lora
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of E.
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:32 AM
>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bookshare seems to be
interested in quantity
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that bookshare still wants to give
most of the monetary
>>>> reward
>
>>>> to
>>>> the person submitting the book rather than the
person validating it and
>>>> so
>>>> is not likely to make the difference more
"equitable" as you want. I
>>>> base
>>>> this suspicion on the fact that bookshare still
permits submits of poor
>>>> quality books rather than raising the bar,
thereby making less work for
>>>> validators and improving the quality of
bookshare's collection.
>>>> Bookshare
>>>> for now seems to want to keep the bar low and
strive for quantity.
>>>>
>>>> E.
>>>> At 07:15 AM 9/26/2006, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Monica,
>>>>>
>>>>>I do understand that some people validate for
credits, and there's
>>>>>nothing at all wrong with that. On the other
hand, many of the people
>>>>>on this list, yourself included, strike me as
dedicated, and willing to
>>>>>do a good job for Bookshare at the same time.
Originally, Evan I think
>>>>>it was, said that by offering more money,
people would just rush
>>>>>through their validations to get the credits.
Although this may be
>>>>>true for some, I still find it hard to believe
that most volunteers
>>>>>would do that. Didn't someone say that only
seven people paid for
>>>>>their
>>>> memberships through their volunteer efforts?
>>>>>
>>>>>On the other hand, I'd rather see the pay scale
changed entirely.
>>>>>Perhaps
>>>>>$2 for submissions, and $1 for validation,
would balance the scales
>>>>>more equably.
>>>>>
>>>>>This would balance so that 25 submissions, or
50 validations, would pay
>>>>>for a renewal of membership.
>>>>>
>>>>>And if offering more for validations would
cause people to race through
>>>>>a validation, offering less would seem to
encourage people to race even
>>>>>faster. After all, if I'll only make fifty
cents per validation, that
>>>>>means I'll have to validate 100 books to get
through the renewal
>>>>>process. Better validate real fast!
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Monica
>>>>>Willyard
>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:50 PM
>>>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a sort of raise
for validators
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi, Cindy. I have a scanner and use Openbook
to scan. What I was
>>>>>trying to say is that without credits, I
wouldn't do much on the
>>>>>validating side of things. As it is, I do
validation both for the
>>>>>credit and because we have a pretty hefty step
1 page right now. Lora
>>>>>was talking about not validating for credits,
and that is what I was
>>>>>responding to. (smile)
>>>>>
>>>>>Monica Willyard
>>>>>
>>>>>On Monday 9/25/2006 11:34 PM, you wrote:
>>>>> >Monica,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >One gets so much more monetary credit for
scanning, and all you'd
>>>>> >really have to do after a scan is to check
the copyright page and put
>>>>> >the right info in the submission form; go
through the book and be
>>>>> >sure no pages have been omitted (we've all
done that, and
>>>>> >double-scanned a page, too); and delete junk
characters; and run a
>>>>> >spell-check. So you validate because you
don't have a scanner? I
>>>>> >think some can be had relatively
inexpensively and it might pay you n
>>>>> >the
>>>> long run.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I don't blame you at all for validating for
the credits. I probably
>>>>> >would work for the credits, too. I admit that
in my lifetime I have
>>>>> >volunteered my time and efforts rather than
donated money, not only
>>>>> >because I feel I'm being useful but because I
don't have that much
>>>>> >money to donate. smile
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Cindy
>>>>>
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