Continuing from this link, I had further thoughts and understanding about what
Bert means about the Soul starting to move and not interfering. What do we as
individuals, facilitators and therapists really know about other people's happy
endings? We are on our own path ... each and everyone. Accepting what is
("Acknowledging What Is"; ? Bert's first book) truly seems to open the Soul to
movement. I can now trust that that Soul knows and it is wrong to further
interfere once that starts.
I just want to add something else. Something about rebirth at Easter, I think,
when I have felt more in touch with my ancestors than ever, and joyful because
of that, their history, their struggles, their gifts and their legacy. I was a
child during the war and grew up angry about it and the crimes that were
perpetrated. Angry because my Father went away even though he returned, he
could not stay, and the consequences of that. Something today brought me to
watch the DVD "The Reader" - I rarely watch films or DVDs. I found myself not
only with tears in my eyes because of how it was, and how the Jews were
persecuted, and also really crying for the perpetrators. And I understand why
it is so important for victim and perpetrator to look into each other's eyes
and see the humanity. It doesn't need words. I am very grateful for this
work because it has meant my life has different meaning altogether; the quality
of my life is good and
being a mother to my children and wife to my husband. And the message of
love around Eastertide, no matter what our faith or none - It is Love that
matters. Thank you Bert.
Thank you Constellators for this discussion
All good wishes
Christine Wilson
Hemel Hempstead
UK
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From: Stephen Campbell <coachuno@xxxxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 1:55:19
Subject: Re: AW: [ConstellationTalk] Research on Constellations
Christine and others,
You bring up a point that I think is extremely important and something that
can be overlooked in trainings. That is the Cinderella endings for a
Constellation. Most people who have an interest in learning to facilitate
Constellations come from the healing professions. The preconception is that
healing is a happy ending. Yet, I have found that the most profound healing
occurs when we as Facilitators are attentive to the Field and permit the
Field to dictate the most powerful point at which to conclude a
Constellation. I have learned to see the process as facilitation not a
direction where our principal intention is to be open, remain in that vacant
space of non-judgement and attentive to the markers that the Field puts
before us. This can result in our "leaving it there" which would make the
Cinderella fable far from conclusive but provides the most coherent and
ecological solution for the client.
Fondly,
Stephen
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On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 16:34, Christine Wilson
<christinewilson3@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
That's really good learning, Sheila - Thank you for that. I don't know how
to reply to the whole group - I had to change my email and have been quiet
on CTalk for a long time, but still busy doing workshops and other work; I
learn so much from the Field as long as I am open to the present and not
working with intention. Really good point about accepting what is rather
than pushing for "happy endings!" - I was also getting there since our
last workshop where quite repeatedly the "bow" seemed a good thing to do;
and mostly leaving it there - strange how sometimes I find our workshops
have similar patterns throughout the weekend.
All good wishes, Christine Wilson Hemel Hempstead, UK
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From: sheila saunders
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To: constellationtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<constellationtalk%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 4 April, 2010 0:45:56
Subject: RE: AW: [ConstellationTalk] Research on Constellations
Dan, et al,
I don't tend to apply judgement to historic events, "It was tragic." or
"It was a tragedy." For who?
The one it happened to? It's been found that it is likely they did it out
of love for a parent or other ancestor, blind love, maybe, but love
nonetheless, OR maybe to bring the family's attention to an excluded person
or excluded people; whatever the pressure, each person is able to handle
their own "fate".
or "tragic" for the child, for instance, of a mother who dies in
childbirth? How can the giving or getting of life be a tragedy? Mothers give
life at the risk of their own. Every time. How can the outcome be tragic? "I
take it at the price it cost you and the price it cost me."
It is wonderful that your client came to the realization, "I am blessed."
He always was; your description tells me he was showing his loyalty to his
ancestors in the way that would yield the least guilt: "If you can't live, I
won't either." That way, he stays loyal to them; he "belongs" to his family.
"Living" will require that he tolerate guilt. (And in his own life, he
survived Vietnam, and his buddies died. This event is much closer to him
than the fates of his ancestors - an event in his own life where "If you
can't live, I won't either" applies.)
In general, I'm on guard for my judgments; I don't equate "heavy fates"
with "tragedy". I also don't think it's "events" that overwhelm, but rather
the re-triggering of physical responses to those events. In your client's
case, he did not personally experience the events of the past but he did
experience Vietnam - that alone could stimulate his withdrawal, and could be
an avenue to look at his own choices and the consequences of them. I tend to
address the most recent event and move backwards from there a step at a
time.
As for the perspective of "intention" in therapy, I see it actually as
correlated with "attachment"; the therapist aims not to "attach" either to
their own imagined best outcome, or to the client's "story." For me, I hope
only to provide a window for the client to see deeper into him or herself
than they may have been able to before; perhaps they will see the love
behind their actions. Maybe they'll see something else. I never know what
they will see or where they will go; I follow them, shedding light on forks
in the road when I see them. Then they choose and I follow again. When they
end up where they are headed, they sometimes ask again what the other
options are. I know some options, and offer them.
Finally, I could never handle the pressure of "being paid to heal". There
are lots of reasons for contacting a therapist and everyone has one. In my
own life, I tend to look for freedom rather than happiness; I see "freedom"
as a state of being and "happiness" as an emotion - one emotion out of
billions. As for emotions, I can only hope to have each and every possible
one pass through me at one time or another. As for freedom, I can only hope
to live as often and as fully in that state as possible. Since that is my
orientation, clients who are looking for freedom, whether they know it or
not, tend to feel more satisfied after our work, than those looking for
"happiness" - it's just too darn hard to pin any one emotion down for good
since emotion doesn't work that way. But "healing" them?? or "being healed"?
Yikes! Neither works for me.
Love having this forum to bat these ideas around!
all the best, sheila
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 10:51:00 -0400
Subject: Re: AW: [ConstellationTalk] Research on Constellations
Dear Johannes -
Your response provokes a lot interesting thoughts. Of the many gifts
from my trainers was encouragement to find my own way of using
Constellations. Here in Boston, there are 4 facilitators who trained in
the Bert Hellinger USA training in 2001. Since, no others have launched
successful practices. Three-quarters of my work is by telephone/Skype
for individuals around the US and in other countries. This is partly
why Constellation Talk is so important for me as I find my own way to
serve and heal.
You write, "I see too much healing intention" and "I am very careful
with the intention to heal." I understand that your perspective comes
from Germany where there are thousands of therapists and healers using
Constellations.
Recognizing that I cannot properly orient myself in the context of your
"too much," I do carry a very strong intention - what I call
"determination" to provide profound and lasting benefits to my clients.
If I have no intention to change the client's issue, what am I being
paid for?
Because there is no awareness of Constellations in Boston, about 3/4 of
my work is by telephone/Skype for people throughout the US and around
the world. Clients come to me with issues, problems, or situations -
something in their lives that is a source of discomfort and suffering.
I ask them, "What would a good result look like?" This provides the
target at which I aim. My intention is to provide an experience that
profoundly impacts the problem and leads toward the desired outcome.
Facing the target, I apply all my focus and determination. There is
always a financial transaction (except in prison and the like). I am
being paid to heal and it becomes my intention to do so.
Recently in a group, a man presented his issue as feeling completely
isolated. He exists in a bubble of solitude. He lives by himself in a
small trailer in the woods. He works occasionally for a temp agency
cleaning offices at night, just enough to pay for food and basic
necessities. When I asked about his family, he described decades of
harrowing circumstances and experiences - from having met his mother
only one time for 2 minutes as a young teen to being a veteran of the
Vietnam war. Of his 4 grandparents, one was a full Native American who
died in childbirth delivering his father, one was African American, the
descendant of a Black slave broker from the Deep South, and two were
European Jews who died in Nazi Concentration Camps.
I set up a Constellation-as-Ceremony. Four representatives stood in a
line as his grandparents. Behind them stood four representatives of the
ancient ancestors of the Jewish, African, and Native American lineages.
He stood silently in front of these 8 for several minutes. Then I asked
him to go to each of them and encounter them personally. For some, I
offer a sentence or two of context (e.g. with the grandmother who died
in childbirth I offered, "This may be the worst trauma in human
experience..."). For others, he and the representatives created the
moment without guidance. This took about 45 minutes and included some
other elements. By the end, he was overcome with emotion, seemingly
both laughing and crying and repeating many times, "I am blessed!"
A little while after the Constellation concluded, he asked me how to
maintain the feelings of joy and relief he experienced. I said that
these ancestors, once in his heart, would stay with him. They would be
his companions and bestow him with their blessings from now on.
This is an illustration of my intention. Without it as a guide, the
grandparents may have overwhelmed him with their immense tragedies. A
purely non-verbal encounter with these 4 carries the risk of an
unbearable avalanche of grief, loss, and torment. It is my intention to
uplift and relieve him of his great burden that guides the process to
remain safe.
I am very interested to know how you understand such use of intention.
I do not doubt the value of your observations. Nor do I mistrust how I
understand and use intention for safety and guidance. Most likely we
are speaking from different cultural and professional contexts.
Thanks for your contribution to my learning and our international
collective.
Dan
Johannes B. Schmidt wrote:
to
Dear Kay,
I have read your account below. And what touches me is the focus on shock
trauma and the idea of healing as well as the intentional quality of
intervention.
I have been working with trauma for several years and have been teaching
trauma trainings in several countries now. Therefore, I would like to
add a
few remarks:
1. Could it be that many people show distinct trauma signs also they
have never experienced a distinct shock trauma? In fact, early
developmental
trauma often develops not by what is done to us but by what is NOT done
us. Neglect can be subtle and the response-ability of a child'sdepending
organism to
the psychoemotional environment may be limited. Even well-intended
breast-feeding can leave a child with the feeling of abandonment
on where the mother's intention is during the nurturing.What
2. I see sometimes too much healing intention in trauma processes. The
facilitator's intent to heal can severely block in-depth processes of
self-relating in the client that makes in-depth healing impossible. I am
very careful with the intention to heal and very interested how
facilitators
can deepen their ever subtler listening and discerning skills to meet the
client where (s)he has never been met.
3. In my experience, healing shock trauma is a late step in the
healing process of individuals which requires more often than not many
prepatory skills and a gentleness that I have hardly ever found in any
therapist. Are we getting "trained" enough in gentleness,
non-invasiveness,
non-intentionality, self-love, non-doing, deep listening, being with what
presents itself without any intention to change it?
4. Sometimes more relevant than healing the trauma is to find a way to
deal with the residue of trauma that defies all healing attempts. What
kind
of holding can we offer for those trauma imprints that do not change?
do we have to offer where our healing intent and technique comes to its
limits?
5. What are the limits of constellation work with regard to trauma. My
experience is that constellations have to be used in almost the
opposite way
than family constellations to effectively meet a traumatized person.
As this
statements exceeds what I can write here I refer you to my book: "Inner
navigation -- traumahealing and constellational process work as
navigational
tools for the evolution of your true self", Chapter 6
6. What are we in touch with? With a healing system? With
constellation work or GNM or the often very delicate, fine, fragile inner
situation of an unheard or invaded client? Can we hold our own
suffering as
facilitators? How do we regulate ourselves in the face of traumatic
dysregulation, overwhelm, despair, or panic?
7. What are the risks of resolving trauma via trance? What skills does
a facilitator need? Don't we rather need a faculty of de-trancing the
client
into the here-and-now? What are the risks of regression?
Just some additional thoughts to your sharing.
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