Karen and Anngwyn,
I think there are two different theories operating here:
1. The psychoanalytic psychodynamic ego orientation for psychodrama
2. The phenomenological self awareness orientation for the family
constellations.
Perhaps an exchange of techniques may work.
Also I think "representing" is using the self to re present (present again)
someone, and 'playing a role' calls for a bit acting.
Ed
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:36 PM, <anngwyn@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello Karen,
Upon further reflection I realized that a primary concern with combining
SCW and psychodrama has to do with the very different experiences of
"playing
a role " and serving as a representative. There are still those who cannot
tell the difference . Combining these two modalities risks further
confusion which may not be in the service of either method. I seem to
remember
that we have had this discussion before....
All for now...
Anngwyn
www.acst-international.com
In a message dated 8/1/2010 7:17:33 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
karenc@xxxxxxxxx <karenc%40wi.rr.com> writes:
From my perspective, the work of J.L. Moreno, the developer of psychodrama,
can complement Systemic Constellation Work in a number of ways.
A key point is what people know about psychodrama, how they have been
trained in the method and their experience with and understanding of
Moreno's vast number of principles and theory, including the accompanying
field of sociometry, which explores the relationships between people in
groups, or systems. He created a number of what he called "sociometric
tests," to explore relationships of people in groups. Moreno also coined a
word, "tele," to refer to the invisible energy that attracted, repelled or
remained neutral between people in groups.
Moreno was actually quite the innovator in the early 20th century in
bringing the concept of systems to the field of psychology and psychiatry.
He was also the one who spoke in favor of working with groups at a time
when
the typical analyst worked in a 1-1 setting.
Psychodrama is more than role playing - although in the eyes and thoughts
of
many people that is what they believe it is - and encompasses a very rich
philosophy and theory.
There are a few of us in the psychodrama field who believe that had Moreno
lived another 50 years he would have developed something similar to what
Bert Hellinger has created.
I do not know if you are alone in your thoughts or not on this topic, but I
am interested in your perspective and considerations and welcome the
opportunity to correspond more about why you perceive psychodrama as not
systemic and should not be combined.
Looking forward.
Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, TEP
Lake House Health & Learning Center
932 Lake Ave.
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Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellation & psychodrama
Hello Everyone,
I have serious considerations about " combining " psycho drama with
systemic constellation work....mainly because SCW is systemic and
psychodrama
is not .This is a very important and basic philosophical difference!
Perhaps
I am alone in my concerns that mixing and matching SCW with other symptom
oriented modalities will seriously weaken both the understanding of and
the power of our work.
All for now...
Anngwyn St. Just
www.acst-international.com
In a message dated 7/27/2010 7:22:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
_haniamoser@xxxxxxxxx <_haniamoser%40gmail.com>_ (mailto:
haniamoser@xxxxxxxxx <haniamoser%40gmail.com>)
<mailto:haniamoser%40gmail.com ;<haniamoser%2540gmail.com>> writes:
My congratulations too! Fantastic idea, I cross my fingers for good
result.
Please Karen, continue to feed us with things.
--
Hania Moser,
M.Psych.
*Growth does not come from striving to be a better person. Growth comes
from
allowing your ego's story to drop away. (author unknown)*
2010/7/27 Kenn Day <_enki@xxxxxxx <_enki%40one.net>_
(mailto:enki@xxxxxxx<enki%40one.net>)
<mailto:enki%40one.net ;<enki%2540one.net>> >
goes
Congratulations to both Karen and Ron! This is a big event. I hope it
very well for all involved.
namaste,
Kenn Day
www.soulsolutionshome.com
On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:40 PM, Karen Carnabucci wrote:
Hello, Constellation Talk-ers:Kingsley
You are among the first to know:
Karen Carnabucci and Ron Anderson have a book contract with Jessica
Publishers!for
The working title is:
Integrating Psychodrama And Systemic Constellation Work: New Directions
Action Methods, Mind-Body Therapies And Energy Healingbelieve
We are writing this book because we believe psychodramatists and other
creative arts therapies should know about Constellation Work and we
that Constellation facilitators and students could benefit more aboutConstellation.
psychodrama and sociometry, which has definitely influenced
We welcome comments and questions to inspire us in our writing.
For more about Jessica Kingsley Publishers, see www.jkp.com
<_http://www.jkp.com/_ ;(http://www.jkp.com/) > .
Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, TEP
Lake House Health & Learning Center
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