Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellation & psychodrama

From: anngwyn@xxxxxxx
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:35:30 EDT

Hello Ed ,

Yes, I agree. Also, my understanding of systemic constellation work is that
this modality extends beyond the family into other "fields of  conflict".

Warm Regards,

Anngwyn
www.acst-international.com

In a message dated 8/2/2010 3:45:00 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
breakers2@xxxxxxxxx writes:

Karen  and Anngwyn,

I think there are two different theories operating  here:
1.  The  psychoanalytic psychodynamic ego orientation for  psychodrama
2.  The phenomenological self awareness orientation for  the family
constellations.

Perhaps an exchange of techniques may  work.

Also I think "representing" is using the self to re present  (present again)
someone, and 'playing a role' calls for a bit  acting.

Ed

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:36 PM,  <anngwyn@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello  Karen,

Upon further reflection I realized that a primary  concern with combining
SCW and psychodrama has to do with the very  different experiences of
"playing
a role " and serving as a  representative. There are still those who

cannot

tell the difference .  Combining these two modalities risks further
confusion which may not  be in the service of either method. I seem to
remember
that we  have had this discussion before....

All for  now...

Anngwyn
www.acst-international.com

In a message dated  8/1/2010 7:17:33 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
karenc@xxxxxxxxx  <karenc%40wi.rr.com> writes:

From my perspective, the  work of J.L. Moreno, the developer of

psychodrama,

can complement  Systemic Constellation Work in a number of ways.

A key point  is what people know about psychodrama, how they have been
trained in  the method and their experience with and understanding of
Moreno's  vast number of principles and theory, including the accompanying
field  of sociometry, which explores the relationships between people in
groups, or systems. He created a number of what he called "sociometric
tests," to explore relationships of people in groups. Moreno also coined

word, "tele," to refer to the invisible energy that attracted, repelled

remained neutral between people in groups.

Moreno was actually quite the innovator in the early 20th century in
bringing the concept of systems to the field of psychology and

psychiatry.

He was also the one who spoke in favor of working with  groups at a time
when
the typical analyst worked in a 1-1  setting.

Psychodrama is more than role playing - although in  the eyes and thoughts
of
many people that is what they believe  it is - and encompasses a very rich
philosophy and  theory.

There are a few of us in the psychodrama field who  believe that had

Moreno

lived another 50 years he would have developed something similar to what
Bert Hellinger has created.

I do not know if you are alone in your thoughts or not on this topic,

but I

am interested in your perspective and considerations and welcome  the
opportunity to correspond more about why you perceive psychodrama  as not
systemic and should not be combined.

Looking  forward.

Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, TEP

Lake  House Health & Learning Center

932 Lake  Ave.

Racine, WI 53403

(262)  633-2645

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Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellation &  psychodrama

Hello Everyone,

I have serious  considerations about " combining " psycho drama with
systemic  constellation work....mainly because SCW is systemic and
psychodrama
is not .This is a very important and basic philosophical  difference!
Perhaps

I am alone in my concerns that  mixing and matching SCW with other symptom
oriented modalities will  seriously weaken both the understanding of and
the power of our  work.

All for now...
Anngwyn St. Just
www.acst-international.com

In a message dated 7/27/2010  7:22:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
_haniamoser@xxxxxxxxx  <_haniamoser%40gmail.com>_ (mailto:
haniamoser@xxxxxxxxx  <haniamoser%40gmail.com>)
<mailto:haniamoser%40gmail.com  ;<haniamoser%2540gmail.com>> writes:

My  congratulations too! Fantastic idea, I cross my fingers for good
result.
Please Karen, continue to feed us with things.

--
Hania Moser,
M.Psych.

*Growth does not come  from striving to be a better person. Growth comes
from
allowing your ego's story to drop away. (author unknown)*

2010/7/27 Kenn Day <_enki@xxxxxxx <_enki%40one.net>_

(mailto:enki@xxxxxxx<enki%40one.net>)

<mailto:enki%40one.net ;<enki%2540one.net>> >

>

Congratulations to both Karen and Ron! This is  a big event. I hope it

goes

very well for all  involved.

namaste,

Kenn  Day
www.soulsolutionshome.com

> On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:40 PM, Karen Carnabucci wrote:

> > Hello, Constellation Talk-ers:

>

You are among the first to  know:

Karen Carnabucci and Ron Anderson have a book contract with Jessica

> Kingsley

Publishers!

>

The working title is:

>

Integrating  Psychodrama And Systemic Constellation Work: New

Directions

for

Action Methods, Mind-Body Therapies And Energy Healing

> We are writing this book because we believe psychodramatists and

other

creative arts therapies should know about  Constellation Work and we

believe

that  Constellation facilitators and students could benefit more about

> psychodrama and sociometry, which has definitely influenced
Constellation.

We welcome comments and questions to inspire  us in our writing.

>

For more about Jessica Kingsley Publishers, see  www.jkp.com
<_http://www.jkp.com/_ ;(http://www.jkp.com/)  > .

>

Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW,  TEP

Lake House Health & Learning Center

932 Lake Ave.

Racine, WI 53403

> >

(262)  633-2645

_karenc@xxxxxxxxx  <_karenc%40wi.rr.com>_

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>

Web: _http://www.lakehousecenter.com_ ;

(http://www.lakehousecenter.com/)

Wellness blog: _http://lakehouseracine.blogspot.com_ ;(http

://lakehouseracine.blogspot.com/)

Coaching  blog: _http://wholepersonmarketing.blogspot.com_

(http://wholepersonmarketing.blogspot.com/)

> Facebook: _http://www.facebook.com/lakehousecenter_

(http://www.facebook.com/lakehousecenter)

Twitter: _http://www.twitter.com/karencarnabucci_

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