Excellent. Thanks. Some rejected part of the self makes sense to me. Barb
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From: Bill Mannle <billmag@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Barbara,
I worked with a 17 year old girl who had been "cutting" since she was
13. She set up herself and "cutting." Before the constellation ended
"cutting'' became her mother. In my experience the symptom usually
represents a person and or part of the shadow.
Best,
Bill Mannle
On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:51 PM, beggenberger@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Has anyone had experience setting up a person and their weight,
depression or phobia? I have seen three such constellations and in
each case the "symptom" was bullying and wanted the person to leave.
In one case, the weight actually threw the person out of the house. I
am curious what other's have seen with these types of constellations.
I feel embarrassed to say I don't understand the dynamic even though I
feel it is somewhat obvious but I just can't get it.
Barb Eggenberger
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From: "Dan Booth Cohen" <danbcohen@xxxxxxx>
Joseph Ive started my research into some of these questions, hoping
to
dive more deeply into it the next few months.
There is an excellent article on the topic of mirror neurons and
Constellations in The Knowing Field, June, 2006 by Franz Rupert and Jen
Altman. http://www.theknowingfield.co.uk/welcome.html.
My interest in the topic comes in the response to the incredulity that
confronts facilitators in attracting new participants to our circles.
When
we attempt to introduce the process to the uninitiated, there comes a
moment
when the person considers how it is that a complete stranger can shed
light
and insight onto a longstanding issue. A typical example is a
distressed
woman in her 40s who had a bad mother. She is an ideal candidate to
join
a Constellation group. It is unfathomable to her that someone, just
anyone,
standing in for her mother, not role playing, not informed of the
story, is
going to attune with her mothers secrets and thus provide the relief
and
release that years of therapy, yoga, meditation, spiritual practice,
Reiki,
etc., etc., have failed to find. You can read it her face before she
politely declines the invitation saying, Thats sounds very
interesting.
Id love to hear more about it sometime.
Enter mirror neurons. There are a host of cutting edge scientific
theories
and discoveries that provide some scant evidence that the affinity
felt by
the representatives for those they represent is not mere theatrics or
projection. These include Sheldrakes Morphic fields, mirror neurons,
the
Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (EPR) Effect, Bells Theorem, and others. All
so we
can say, This is not as bizarre and fantastic as it sounds to our
conventional thinking.
The limitation is in the reach of the scientific method. To study and
understand and particular phenomenon scientifically, it is necessary to
control variables and capture clean data. Mirror neurons have only been
found in monkey brains. According to Altman (The Knowing Field 8, p.
22),
in human brains, the neurons wouldnt look like anything special; they
wouldnt be any different from other neurons in the cortex. What makes
them
different is the particular combination of inputs they receive and
where
their outputs go.
The phenomenological lens that we use as Constellation facilitators
does not
capture data that can be seen through the neurophysiologists CAT scan
machine or the quantum physicists particle accelerator. It may not be
impossible to design an experiment to integrate these perspectives,
but good
luck getting it funded, executed, or accepted by the mainstream
scientific
community.
We can point towards mirror neurons to say, What occurs in a
Constellation
does not necessarily conflict with current understanding of brain
function.
We can attest that the warm-hearted phone call from the long-estranged
brother coming on the heels of the Constellation need not be
coincidence or
supernatural woo-woo; its the EPR effect. However, we need to be
cautious
about representing that science confirms these experiences. As Altman
puts
it, It is this sort of area when I see scientific facts getting bent.
This is a rich topic for discussion. Im interested in how others
approach
it.
Dan
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From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of dechardin1
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:45 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Mirror neurons
Recent articles in the New York Times health and science sections
bring up
the theory of
mirror neurons.It seems to me that this might be a rich area of
reflection
in the hellinger
work.Comments appreciated, thanks joseph drjmpirone@mac.
<mailto:drjmpirone%40mac.com> com web.mac.com/drjmpirone
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