Dear Barb,
Are you taking the reaction too literally... Who was excluded? Who does the
symptom really represent? Did you ask the client what that dynamic reminded
he or she of? A father? A mother? What did the representatives feel was
going on? I personally work blindly so NO STORY gets in the way of or is
tried to be recreated by the ego interpretation of the representative or the
clients conscious belief etc... More questions than answers but I hope it
helps.... Was the Bullying person role shifted into the Client desire to
reject the symptom? Remember to embrace every part of the work not just the
good stuff but love the (perceived) bad equally.
Fondly Gary Stuart LA, CA
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Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] Mirror neurons
Has anyone had experience setting up a person and their weight, depression
or phobia? I have seen three such constellations and in each case the
"symptom" was bullying and wanted the person to leave. In one case, the
weight actually threw the person out of the house. I am curious what
other's have seen with these types of constellations. I feel embarrassed to
say I don't understand the dynamic even though I feel it is somewhat obvious
but I just can't get it.
Barb Eggenberger
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From: "Dan Booth Cohen" <danbcohen@xxxxxxx> Joseph - I've started my
research into some of these questions, hoping to dive more deeply into it
the next few months.
There is an excellent article on the topic of mirror neurons and
Constellations in The Knowing Field, June, 2006 by Franz Rupert and Jen
Altman. http://www.theknowingfield.co.uk/welcome.html.
My interest in the topic comes in the response to the incredulity that
confronts facilitators in attracting new participants to our circles. When
we attempt to introduce the process to the uninitiated, there comes a moment
when the person considers how it is that a complete stranger can shed light
and insight onto a longstanding issue. A typical example is a distressed
woman in her 40s who had a "bad mother." She is an ideal candidate to join a
Constellation group. It is unfathomable to her that someone, just anyone,
standing in for her mother, not role playing, not informed of the story, is
going to attune with her mother's secrets and thus provide the relief and
release that years of therapy, yoga, meditation, spiritual practice, Reiki,
etc., etc., have failed to find. You can read it her face before she
politely declines the invitation saying, "That's sounds very interesting.
I'd love to hear more about it sometime."
Enter mirror neurons. There are a host of cutting edge scientific theories
and discoveries that provide some scant evidence that the affinity felt by
the representatives for those they represent is not mere theatrics or
projection. These include Sheldrake's Morphic fields, mirror neurons, the
Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (EPR) Effect, Bell's Theorem, and others. All so we
can say, "This is not as bizarre and fantastic as it sounds to our
conventional thinking."
The limitation is in the reach of the scientific method. To study and
understand and particular phenomenon scientifically, it is necessary to
control variables and capture clean data. Mirror neurons have only been
found in monkey brains. According to Altman (The Knowing Field 8, p. 22), in
human brains, "the neurons wouldn't look like anything special; they
wouldn't be any different from other neurons in the cortex. What makes them
different is the particular combination of inputs they receive and where
their outputs go."
The phenomenological lens that we use as Constellation facilitators does not
capture data that can be seen through the neurophysiologist's CAT scan
machine or the quantum physicist's particle accelerator. It may not be
impossible to design an experiment to integrate these perspectives, but good
luck getting it funded, executed, or accepted by the mainstream scientific
community.
We can point towards mirror neurons to say, "What occurs in a Constellation
does not necessarily conflict with current understanding of brain function."
We can attest that the warm-hearted phone call from the long-estranged
brother coming on the heels of the Constellation need not be coincidence or
supernatural woo-woo; it's the EPR effect. However, we need to be cautious
about representing that science confirms these experiences. As Altman puts
it, "It is this sort of area when I see scientific facts getting bent."
This is a rich topic for discussion. I'm interested in how others approach
it.
Dan
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Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Mirror neurons
Recent articles in the New York Times health and science sections bring up
the theory of mirror neurons.It seems to me that this might be a rich area
of reflection in the hellinger work.Comments appreciated, thanks joseph
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