I am glad my idea serves you and him. the best for you
victor
De: Chris Millar <menssana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Para: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Enviado: Jueves, 25 de agosto, 2011 23:36:41
Asunto: Re: [ConstellationTalk] re: Culpability of Soldiers
Victor,
your point is well made and pertinent.
I do not know what he did in the war to feel bad about; he does not yet talk
about and I do not push him to do so. In his own good time.
I am speaking to him in generalities therefore; and indicating to him that I am
willing to listen.
In any case I am well aware that I would not be empowered to forgive him, or
anybody for that matter.
Thanks for pointing out the importance of taking responsibility with dignity.
Chris
Dr Chris Millar
216 Humffray Street North
Ballarat 3350
Victoria
AUSTRALIA
menssana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
On 26/08/2011, at 1:59 PM, VICTOR VELASCO wrote:
Hi Chris Milliar:
I had read your question and the answers to it, but I thooink the most
important thing about it is : Do you think your client can support the weight
of his actions?
Probably my English is very bad and then, I can´t unserstand very well your
message, but I have the feeling you are worried about exculpate him, more
than help him to take responsability with dignity at the same time he
delivers their responsability to the war lords which began these war.
I guess if you are clear about your intentions, you could be a better
support.
Thank you
Victor velasco
Mexico
De: VICTOR VELASCO <diplomadoconstelaciones@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Para: "ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: "alexandra.caymmi@xxxxxxxxx" <alexandra.caymmi@xxxxxxxxx>
Enviado: Jueves, 25 de agosto, 2011 22:35:05
Asunto: Re: [ConstellationTalk] re: Culpability of Soldiers
De: Chris Millar <menssana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Para: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Enviado: Miércoles, 24 de agosto, 2011 20:39:30
Asunto: Re: [ConstellationTalk] re: Culpability of Soldiers
Anne,
thank you, yes, that was exactly what I had in mind with my enquiry. Killing
in war is not murder. I have tried to convey this to the patient in question,
that as a conscript (trained as a hairdresser/barber in civilian life) any
culpability is carried by the nation that has required him to do its bidding.
I was hoping for a dissertation from Hellinger that said it more coherently.
In any case, I could feel a palpable sense of relief in his energy field,
demeanour, as my message sunk in. I think it hit home. I wanted to follow
through with a more authoritative source (Hellinger).
Chris
Dr Chris Millar
216 Humffray Street North
Ballarat 3350
Victoria
AUSTRALIA
menssana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
On 25/08/2011, at 5:29 AM, Anne Beversdorf wrote:
The questions of soldiers' trauma is not exactly the same thing as Chris'
actual question. I too recall Bert saying that killing someone in battle
does not carry the same systemic issues as any other kind of killing. I
can't quote chapter and verse, but I clearly remember him saying it. He
does NOT say war isn't traumatic. In constellations, some of the deepest
traumas, which became systemic, were the loss of comrades--not simply the
survivor's guilt form, but the loss of persons with whom one was deeply
emotionally bonded.
So in discussion of a soldier's trauma, yes, there are many. The point I
think (?) Chris was addressing was the issue of "murder", and does a
soldier who kills in battle set up a systemic trauma of the type usual in
other kinds of murder. Hellinger clearly says no.
Interestingly, a recent study indicates that even in battles, most soldiers
shoot in the air--only a small percentage shoot to kill. The stats make it
sound like gunfights in movies, where a jillion shots are fired and
miss.... The amount of ammunition used, the close quarters, etc, don't add
up, and the conclusion was most are just shooting wildly in the general
direction of "above their heads". That kind of war is pretty much a thing
of the past tho. Kind of a non-sequitur, but interesting anyway.
Anne Beversdorf
Counselling Astrologer
Western and Vedic
www.stariel.com
anne@xxxxxxxxxxx
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