[ddots-l] Re: Following your feedback -- Finding The Setting Sun (V2.0

  • From: "Steve Wicketts" <steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 23:44:45 +0100

Hi Darren,

It's hard to know when to let go, apparently UB40 have never been happy with 
anything they've written yet they are comfortable enough to let these songs go, 
and They are the biggest Reggae CD selling band in the World. 

Did you spot my deliberate mistake in my first email, I should have said, "When 
Doves Cry, did it need a bass guitar?"

That's why the old days were possibly better, a song writer took care of 
writing the song, a musical arranger took care of the instrumentation and a 
producer produced the overall sound.

Good or Bad, it wasn't on one persons shoulders. 

Steve W 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Darren H 
  To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 10:04 PM
  Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Following your feedback -- Finding The Setting Sun 
(V2.0


  Hi Steve.

  Interesting and valid points.

  I wasn't actually sure what I wanted to do with the sax at the time.  
Actually that isn't true.  I wanted to give it a double tracked sound similar 
to David Samborne.

  I just went a bit over the top I think.

  If the sax had been for one of my electronic pieces, I'd have probably kept 
it as it was

  But, the piece was very much experementing with creating pretty standard 
library or TV project music, which I understand there's a lot of cash to be 
made if you can get into the right places.

  A lot of it is personal taste, for example, Phil said he wasn't keen on the 
chorused piano lead, whereas, I quite like it.

  Nothing wrong with Phil's view, but there's nothing wrong with mine either.

  Adding the chorus doesn't ruin the track, taking it away wouldn't either.

  Once again folks, I really appreciate the feedback and you taking the time to 
listen and comment.

  Cheers
  Darren
  www.karmistry.com

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  From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Steve Wicketts
  Sent: 13 September 2010 17:35
  To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Following your feedback -- Finding The Setting Sun 
(V2.0


  Hi Darren, 

  the problem with asking people who mix tracks, We'll all have different ideas 
on what is or isn't needed.
  A good example is no one seemed to like the chorus on the sax but you must 
have liked it in the first place to have chosen to put it on.
  I too thought the chorus added something positive to quite a dull sounding 
sax, (the chorus may have been a little too heavy for my liking)? there I go 
advising.

  I personally think you need to ask yourself:
  Do you want a track that so generic that it is beautiful like the other stars 
in the sky so gets lost in the vastness of the Universe? or do you want a track 
that shine so bright, everyone looks up at that star.

  Purple Rain, did it need a bass guitar?

  We all are given amazing helpful tips that make our projects sound better, 
however, there comes a point where you must decide it's finished. it's taken me 
years to be able to say that with conviction, as you know, I was the Worlds 
worst for going back to projects. 

  Steve W 

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Darren H 
    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:58 PM
    Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Following your feedback -- Finding The Setting Sun 
(V2.0



    Hi Phil.

    Thanks for taking a listen.

    I think I'm going to leave it alone for a couple of weeks or I'll get fed 
up of hearing it.

    When I can hear it with fresh ears, I can see what I think needs changing.

    Thanks again, appreciate it.

    Cheers
    Darren
    www.karmistry.com/

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    From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Phil Muir
    Sent: 13 September 2010 16:52
    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Following your feedback -- Finding The Setting Sun 
(V2.0


    Darren.  That's way better!  A couple of thoughts.  Not personally keen on 
the slight chorus on the acoustic guitar at the start of the track.  Also not 
keen on the chorus on the piano solo track but hay, that's just me.  Could hear 
chorus on a rohds that is, if you ended up using one of those instead.  Am a 
bit of a purist when it comes to such things.  Great job though!




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    From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Darren H
    Sent: 10 September 2010 17:11
    To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [ddots-l] Following your feedback -- Finding The Setting Sun (V2.0


    Hi folks.

    Well after your great feedback, I took this whole track back to basics.

    I kind of got carried away the first time round, so I've stripped down the 
track and I think it sounds much better for it.  Much more breathing space...

    http://soundcloud.com/the-karmistry-project/finding-the-setting-sun

    Feedback as ever is always appreciated.

    Cheers
    Darren
    www.karmistry.com/


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