Phil, The converse statement is also true: if nobody is willing to pay what it costs to get a job done, then it's probably true that nobody wants that job doing badly enough. Best wishes. Tim Burgess Raised Bar Ltd Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Muir Sent: 30 January 2011 22:54 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar discussion list' Subject: [ddots-l] Re: [Jsonar] Finding Clients Chris, you really have to look at who you are doing the work for. I personally don't go on the do everything for nothing philosophy, as you can end up doing a lot for nothing. Have done work for people before but, always generally charged something or, worked out a barter that benefits both parties. Also, as a good friend of mine comments, "if a job wants doing badly enough then, people will pay for it." Think your idea of taking so much per CD isn't a bad one as mixing and mastering, really is an art and can turn someone's work from something that's ok to something that sounds fantastic. Regards, Phil Muir Accessibility Training Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK +44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: 30 January 2011 19:41 To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar discussion list Cc: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: [Jsonar] Finding Clients Oh, I forgot to mention that I've had one offer to mix an album for someone, simply for the exposure. We can't pay you, but *long pause* I've written them back, inquiring about what they plan to charge for their CD, tracks online etc. If they reply with a figure, like so much a CD, I'll counter with a tiny percentage of that, like 50 cents an album or something. Is there any merit at all to that "do it for exposure" argument? I like to say "you can die from exposure", but I also don't want to turn down work, since I'm having trouble finding it to begin with. *laugh* Am I more of a sucker if I refuse jobs, or if I do those jobs but for nothing? *LOL* I realize it's hard economically for bands and artists starting out, but I'm thinking also that if I don't value my skills and time, nobody else will either! Chris PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type unsubscribe For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq or send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type unsubscribe For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq or send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type unsubscribe For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq or send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq