Hi Phil, The following is Extracted from Sonar 8's Help files. George. Using the Edit-Apply Trimming command permanently deletes any data from a selected clip that is hidden by a slip editing edit For step-by-step instructions, see To Permanently Delete Slip-edited Data <mk:@MSITStore:D:\SONAR.CHM::/Arranging43.html#1472254> . (Which is at the end of the next bit) Using Slip-editing ________________________________ SONAR makes it easy to edit audio and MIDI clips by way of prominent clip handles that appear as your cursor comes close to the edges of clips. The clip handles are easy to see and are equipped with broad functionality for fade-ins, fade-outs, and crossfades, as well as non-destructive editing of the beginning and end of clips. To Slip-edit a Clip 1. Set the Snap to Grid to an appropriate interval. 2. If you're slip editing an audio clip, right-click the clip to open the Clip Properties dialog. Select the Audio Stretching tab, make sure the Enable Looping checkbox is unchecked, and click OK. 3. Move the cursor over the beginning of the clip until the clip handle appears. . A. Clip handle 4. Click and drag the clip handle until the unwanted information has been removed. The hidden information in the slip-edited clips remains intact but is not heard during playback. To Move Data Without Moving its Clip 1. Hold down Alt+Shift while moving the cursor over the middle of the clip you wish to edit. The cursor changes to look like this . 2. Click and drag the clip to the left or right as desired. As in the case of slip-editing, the hidden information in the clip remains intact but is not heard during playback. To Move Data and the Clip Edge 1. Hold down Alt+Shift and move the cursor to the edge of the clip you wish to edit. A clip handle appears at the edge of the clip you are editing. 2. Click and drag the edge of the clip to the desired location. The hidden information in the clip remains intact but is not heard during playback. To Permanently Delete Slip-edited Data 1. Select the clips that contain the slip-edited data you want to delete. 2. Select the Edit-Apply Trimming command. SONAR permanently deletes the slip-edited data from the clips you selected. From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Muir Sent: 22 May 2009 14:46 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Sonar: Working wiht Audio Tracks of Different Lengths Waw! Your right! You learn something new every day. Hmm, wonder what "apply Trimming" is for then? Regards, Phil Muir P J Muir Productions, Music And Audio Production Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK+44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxx URL: www.philmuir.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: luis elorza <mailto:luiselorza@xxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Sonar: Working wiht Audio Tracks of Different Lengths i disagree Phil. when bouncing the clip it is automatically trimmed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Muir <mailto:ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:47 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Sonar: Working wiht Audio Tracks of Different Lengths Luis wrote: I differ on this one Phil. when you use the bounce to clips you don't need to apply trimming. Phil replied: you don't but, if you don't use the "apply trimming" command then although you will end up with a single clip, the clip will still be large because all of your edits will still be contained within the clip, even though you can't hear them any more. Luis wrote: and if you bounce to clips even after applying trimming the result will always be a single clip. Phil replied: indeed and because you have used the "apply Trimming" command, the single clip per track will be smaller. Regards, Phil Muir P J Muir Productions, Music And Audio Production Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK+44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxx URL: www.philmuir.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: luis elorza <mailto:luiselorza@xxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:11 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Sonar: Working wiht Audio Tracks of Different Lengths i differ on this one Phil. when you use the bounce to clips you don't need to apply trimming. and if you bounce to clips even after applying trimming the result will always be a single clip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Muir <mailto:ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Sonar: Working wiht Audio Tracks of Different Lengths It will however, remember to use the "apply Trimming" command in the edit menu before bouncing to clips. Other wise you won't have cut down the original length of the wave files. In other words, the original edits will still be there but, you won't be able to hear them. Regards, Phil Muir P J Muir Productions, Music And Audio Production Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK+44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxx URL: www.philmuir.com/ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4094 (20090521) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com