Doug, How do you do this? Do you do it by panning their voice to the left? I was thinking that if you do pan it to the left side, won't it be recorded that way? Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Daniels To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:18 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: To loud stage In the recording studio, when a singer is singing sharp or flat, I will shift their own voice to one ear or the other, this gives them the opportunity to compare their voice to the other instruments. When their voice is in the middle, and too loud, they don't compare it to the other instruments. Also, putting reverb on the singers voice when they are recording, gives them a false since of their voice, and makes them hold back or sometimes sing flat or sharp. EGO, comes into it with some rock singers, and they may ask for reverb, but as a good producer, I will do whatever makes them do their best work. Sometimes, that means no effects on their voice at all. Doug Daniels. From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Burgess Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:47 AM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Ot loud stage Steve, There's a well documented psycho-acoustic effect where your perception of pitch is altered by volume. This is the reason that a lot of perfectly decent studio singers appear to be singing flat when they're on stage. The only solutions are to either get everybody to turn down, or reduce the volume you're experiencing by wearning plugs, etc.. Volume at te level required to cause this issue is definitely harmful to your hearing over a relatively short period, so you need to take this issue seriously. Best wishes. Tim Burgess Raised Bar Ltd Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Wicketts Sent: 01 May 2011 11:52 To: ddtots Subject: [ddots-l] Ot loud stage Hi all, At the end of last night Show, I was asked to join the band (who was topping the bill) The house mix was controlled by a sound engineer, however, the Band's stage mix was simply their independent Guitar and bass amp levels. My two questions are, 1: has anyone else been on a loud stage environment where it sounds like the keyboard is in a different key to the other instruments until the levels drop during the music, at that point you then hear the key for what it is? 2: When the stage level is so loud you can't hear the keyboards, is there any technique that totally visually impaired musicians use to A: know your hitting the right notes and B: keep metronomic? I struggled last night with these particular issues, I always have a slight Doppler effect when music is loud, I especially don't always hear the bass notes as clear defined pitcht notes. Steve W __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6084 (20110430) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com