[ddots-l] Re: To loud stage
- From: "Dave Hillebrandt" <dave@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 06:53:02 -0400
Hi, If I'm not mistaken, where you have it panned for recording shouldn't
matter. Most people have each channel set to mono so no matter where you have
it while recording, you can place it wherever you want in the mix once you're
ready to mix down. I've also used this in order to isolate the vocal from the
other instruments and works very well. Also, when recording my own vocal, I
will often peal back one headphone to get the natural sound of my vocal and it
helps a lot. May not be very best thing for trying to make sure no sound in
headphones comes out into microphone so have to pay attention to that a bit.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Daniels
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:40 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: To loud stage
Brian, try it, I believe that you can always pan it back when your done
recording. Let me know if there is any problem. I think that the pan control is
more about how you hear the track then how it gets recorded. Try it, I would
like to know.
Doug.
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Brian Howerton
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 3:04 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: To loud stage
Doug,
How do you do this? Do you do it by panning their voice to the left? I was
thinking that if you do pan it to the left side, won't it be recorded that way?
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Daniels
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:18 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: To loud stage
In the recording studio, when a singer is singing sharp or flat, I will
shift their own voice to one ear or the other, this gives them the opportunity
to compare their voice to the other instruments. When their voice is in the
middle, and too loud, they don't compare it to the other instruments. Also,
putting reverb on the singers voice when they are recording, gives them a false
since of their voice, and makes them hold back or sometimes sing flat or sharp.
EGO, comes into it with some rock singers, and they may ask for reverb, but as
a good producer, I will do whatever makes them do their best work. Sometimes,
that means no effects on their voice at all.
Doug Daniels.
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tim Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:47 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Ot loud stage
Steve,
There's a well documented psycho-acoustic effect where your perception of
pitch is altered by volume. This is the reason that a lot of perfectly decent
studio singers appear to be singing flat when they're on stage. The only
solutions are to either get everybody to turn down, or reduce the volume you're
experiencing by wearning plugs, etc.. Volume at te level required to cause
this issue is definitely harmful to your hearing over a relatively short
period, so you need to take this issue seriously.
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
Raised Bar Ltd
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Wicketts
Sent: 01 May 2011 11:52
To: ddtots
Subject: [ddots-l] Ot loud stage
Hi all,
At the end of last night Show, I was asked to join the band (who was
topping the bill) The house mix was controlled by a sound engineer, however,
the Band's stage mix was simply their independent Guitar and bass amp levels.
My two questions are,
1: has anyone else been on a loud stage environment where it sounds like
the keyboard is in a different key to the other instruments until the levels
drop during the music, at that point you then hear the key for what it is?
2: When the stage level is so loud you can't hear the keyboards, is there
any technique that totally visually impaired musicians use to A: know your
hitting the right notes and B: keep metronomic?
I struggled last night with these particular issues, I always have a slight
Doppler effect when music is loud, I especially don't always hear the bass
notes as clear defined pitcht notes.
Steve W
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