[ddots-l] Re: To loud stage
- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 15:35:13 -0700
Brian,
I expect that the headphone monitor output itself would have panning and volume
adjustments to allow this. e.g. a mixer that samples all the inputs and allows
adjustments of each, strictly for the benefit of performers.
Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio Recording
and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Howerton
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 15:04
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: To loud stage
Doug,
How do you do this? Do you do it by panning their voice to the left? I was
thinking that if you do pan it to the left side, won't it be recorded that way?
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Daniels
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:18 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: To loud stage
In the recording studio, when a singer is singing sharp or flat, I will
shift their own voice to one ear or the other, this gives them the opportunity
to compare their voice to the other instruments. When their voice is in the
middle, and too loud, they don't compare it to the other instruments. Also,
putting reverb on the singers voice when they are recording, gives them a false
since of their voice, and makes them hold back or sometimes sing flat or sharp.
EGO, comes into it with some rock singers, and they may ask for reverb, but as
a good producer, I will do whatever makes them do their best work. Sometimes,
that means no effects on their voice at all.
Doug Daniels.
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tim Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:47 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Ot loud stage
Steve,
There's a well documented psycho-acoustic effect where your perception of
pitch is altered by volume. This is the reason that a lot of perfectly decent
studio singers appear to be singing flat when they're on stage. The only
solutions are to either get everybody to turn down, or reduce the volume you're
experiencing by wearning plugs, etc.. Volume at te level required to cause
this issue is definitely harmful to your hearing over a relatively short
period, so you need to take this issue seriously.
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
Raised Bar Ltd
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Wicketts
Sent: 01 May 2011 11:52
To: ddtots
Subject: [ddots-l] Ot loud stage
Hi all,
At the end of last night Show, I was asked to join the band (who was
topping the bill) The house mix was controlled by a sound engineer, however,
the Band's stage mix was simply their independent Guitar and bass amp levels.
My two questions are,
1: has anyone else been on a loud stage environment where it sounds like
the keyboard is in a different key to the other instruments until the levels
drop during the music, at that point you then hear the key for what it is?
2: When the stage level is so loud you can't hear the keyboards, is there
any technique that totally visually impaired musicians use to A: know your
hitting the right notes and B: keep metronomic?
I struggled last night with these particular issues, I always have a slight
Doppler effect when music is loud, I especially don't always hear the bass
notes as clear defined pitcht notes.
Steve W
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