[ddots-l] Re: hsc set for the Native Instruments Service Centre

  • From: Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 11:43:54 -0500

Ok, so if we can access the parameters through our typical alternate methods in our DAW, why not just spot the preset load/save/compare buttons? That is, if the auditioning of presets is the only thing we can't really access through other means. Sorry if I'm assuming too much or missing the point.


At 11:36 AM 12/7/2015, you wrote:

Ok Chris and Phil. I did the Valhalla Vintage Verb as an experiment...and the experiment being, using OCR to read specific fields.
So, in the plug, you can't read anything with Jaws, well I can't here anyway, but OCR gives excellent results and virtually 100% accurate readings.
Anyway, jim and myself did a feature where HSC can read only a specified area of the screen, like a freq value etc, and the OCR was so quick when reading such a small area,, it didn't have any impact at all really. So, 1 press of a keystroke would take you to the mix control for example, and a double press would read that value. It also would automatically read preset names etc etc etc.

I know what can be accessed in the track inspector, and the only other stuff you can't access there is the presets...but like I say, this was a plug used as an experiment to see if OCR could be utilised in environments where nothing could be read. Like the NI service center. If OCR could reliably read specific fields, then this sort of environment wouldn't be a barrier.

The result was that in this plug, it worked fantastically well and made a totally inaccessible environment, accessible to the point you could read values and interact with the GUI. Trouble was, this didn't extend across other plugs I tried. It was hit and miss with the OCR and what it could accuratly report, as I guess the difference in how a GUI was designed had too much of an impact. With certain fonts, it would work great, with others, it was very poor.

So, the conclusion was not to include it in HSC at this moment, not until OCR improved. Although, I think the code is still there, it's just commented out for the moment. This set I've done accesses all the controls and has the functionality to read any OCR results, but it no longer has the associated code, plus it only was done with the "80's" mode. Amending it for the "70's" and "now" modes is an easy job, but it was never done for the reasons above. If you want it, you can have it, but it is incomplete. Best Steve.
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 3:54 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: hsc set for the Native Instruments Service Centre

I'd love sets for all their verbs. They're truly
excelent and $50 each. compare that to the prices
of verbs by Exponential Audio (Phoenix Verb for
example). Pick up Vintage Verb, Room, and the
recently-released Plate from Valhalla, and you may never need another reverb.

Sorry, I guess I really like their stuff. (grin)

Actually, is there much extra that we need access
to that isn't exposed in the inspector in Sonar, Reaper's parameter list etc.?

Chris


At 10:31 AM 12/7/2015, you wrote:
Also considering purchasing Valhalla vintage verb or maybe one of the others. If I do purchase it I will create an hsc set for it if there isn’t one available. Would be interesting to know how many of you guys

would be interested in a set for the Valhalla vintage verb.
Kind regards
Len viljoen

From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Steel
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 5:05 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: hsc set for the Native Instruments Service Centre

Cool sounds pretty easy.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Phil Muir
To: <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 6:44 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: hsc set for the Native Instruments Service Centre

No it's very easy to do. Create all of the HSC buttons. When creating them, don't choose right click as an action. Choose "possition cursor" instead. Once you have done that and added tutor messages to them then you create a spot ring and add the sets to it in the order you want them to appear.
On 7 December 2015 14:38:28 GMT+00:00, Greg Steel <<mailto:steelgreg509@xxxxxxxxx>steelgreg509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hey Phil is the tab order hard to make? I have never had any programming experience but I did creat an hsc set for the zampler plugin with the 4 buttons.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Phil Muir
To: <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 2:09 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: hsc set for the Native Instruments Service Centre

Steve has a point. Giving each field a keystroke is probably not the best wait to do this. Probably better to set-up a fake tab order and put a tutor message on each button in the tab order. You would then have the button name followed by the tutor message so it would sound like this.


E-mail address


Right click to enter your E-mail address and press enter


Password


Right click to enter your password and press enter


Serial number


Right click to paste in your serial number and press enter.




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From: <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve S
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 10:00 AM
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Subject: [ddots-l] Re: hsc set for the Native Instruments Service Center


Greg, I understand that, but how will you know if youÂ’re in the correct field? Best Steve

From: <mailto:steelgreg509@xxxxxxxxx>Greg Steel
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 3:09 AM
To: <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: hsc set for the Native Instruments Service Center

Hey Steve I was thinking about having someone put the mouse on the fields and I can write paste in your serial number and enter your email address and password on the fields and give them each a keystroke.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx>Steve S
To: <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 2:28 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: hsc set for the Native Instruments Service Center

Greg, making a set for the NI service center would be possible, if OCR was reliable enough. HSC does contain code to use OCR for specific areas, as myself and Jim worked on it a while ago. It worked flawlessly within the Valhalla Vintage Verb UI, but it was flakey in other plugs.

OCR struggles with certain font etc, but if the conditions are OK, it works great. I havenÂ’t tried OCR in the service center, but itÂ’s just a matter of creating a grid kind of layout with OCR reading the fields.

Trouble is...and I agree with Jim here, is that it isnÂ’t something he wants to use with HSC until OCR is more consistent and reliable.

So, until such a time, the layout is possible, but reading the fields isnÂ’t...and thereÂ’s no way to know what item is in what field etc. best Steve.

From: <mailto:steelgreg509@xxxxxxxxx>Greg Steel
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 6:29 PM
To: <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] hsc set for the Native Instruments Service Center

Hey guys would it be possible to make an hsc set so that we can use it without sighted help? I want to look in to it.


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