[ddots-l] Re: mackie onyx 1220i question
- From: "neville" <neville@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:42:23 -0500
When I'm tracking my vocals I don't let the input meter go below -6 and I
find that it works for me most of the time. The only problem is when I try
to raze the levil of the master buss, the track still doesn't seem lowd
enough to me.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Shawn Brock
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 5:53 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: mackie onyx 1220i question
Now that's an option maybe. I always double track vocals and horns. 1
track with auto tune, and 1 without. That way I know what good the tuner is
doing if any.
The only problem here is if one puts the compressor between the microphone
and the soundcard, he can't have a 2nd track without the compression.
That's why I would vote for just putting a plugin on the track.
Hell! If I had to, I would assign that input on 2 tracks and put a
compressor plugin on 1 track. Then you have 2 times the signal to mess
with.
I have noticed that lots of guys no a lot about recording audio, and others
know a lot about recording midi. But often a guy won't be comfortable
completely on both platforms. I for 1 was an audio file for many years. I
hated midi and thought it was a joke. The reason was, I didn't understand
it. After I got into programming and lots of good options began to open up,
I love working with midi. I have never forgotten all the important tricks
of the audio world though. Because unlike midi, you can't always undo.
Some times, its just a redo...
Some times the mostly midi based guys forget that audio is a little more
unforgiving. If you are getting a vocal that's minus 8, you are probably
okay in the end. When you look at the output of all the tracks, that's
where the rubber meets the road. If a guy tries to get every track he
records to be minus 3, by the time he has a few tracks, the hole project is
clipping on the master buss. The object in my experience, is not
necessarily to try to max out each track.
Some times you are better with a minus 8 vocal going to tape, and just
turning the other tracks down while tracking the vocals.
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:26 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: mackie onyx 1220i question
Good point. Its quite nerve recking if you do it at first because of being
scared of messing up the tracks. In the past when i was stil using cubase i
use to record one mic on to 2 tracks at once, the 1 track was with and the
other without the compressor plug in. I did this in case of messing up the
compressed tracks, but its been a wile since i've used this method don't
even know if it's possible in sonar.
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Subject: [ddots-l] Re: mackie onyx 1220i question
From: "Shawn Brock" <shawn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 09/12/2010 00:15
I hear ya man. I would love to have a big closet of mics.
I have to keep it real though.
Most people can run a pretty good project studio on a small number of
microphones though. Back when I was in commercial business I would hate to
know how much money I had in mics. Now, that I just do my own stuff and
small projects for others, and I don't have to worry about tracking drums, I
have 6 mics which I lean on.
I'm still against tracking with compression though. Do I see the reason?
Sure I do! All I'm saying, is why not use a plugin for that. Put together
presets that work for you if need be, but at least you still have control.
So many people have made some horrible recording mistakes by entering
destructive affects into the signal chain.
Nothing is worse than having to tell someone who's paying you, and someone
who worked hard for hours on end, that there tracks aren't useable because
of a choice you made. I have been lucky enough to never have had to deal
with that, but I have seen it go down and it aint pretty.
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:00 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: mackie onyx 1220i question
Shawn i agree with you 100% on propper tracking rather than fix it in the
mix. But the thing is not everyone has professional studios, time, money and
lots of different mics to choose from. If i had my way i would want to
record all my stuff analog using 16 track studer machines and noiman u87,
u67 and u47 mics but shit happens and i can't. One must work with what you
have and as i said earlyer if the situation calls for it compression while
tracking can realy help if done propperly.
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Subject: [ddots-l] Re: mackie onyx 1220i question
From: "Shawn Brock" <shawn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 08/12/2010 22:47
If its something like an AT 2020, its still time to go shopping...
How far is she from the mic?
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Howerton
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:35 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: mackie onyx 1220i question
But charles this is a condenser mic. But you are saying this is normal?
THat makes me feel a little better then.... It's an audio technica
condenser mic.
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Marston
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:30 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: mackie onyx 1220i question
I think this is usual when using a dynamic mic. However, with regards
to the jump from negative 14 to negative 3, that may be normal depending on
the kind of song you are recording. You may use a compresser afterwards to
even out the dynamics on the track.
From: Brian Howerton
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:28 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] mackie onyx 1220i question
Hello all,
Yesterday I was recording a client with my new mackie onyx1220I and I
was finding that I was having to run the tain knob really hot in order to
get good meter readings. It was like one minute she would be at -14 or -21
and then she would jump to a louder portion of a song and it would jump
sometimes to like -3 or -2. Am I doing something wrong? I mean is it
normal to have to run the gain knob all the way almost to it's max? COuld
use some help please... Thanks,
Brian
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