Thanks Robert, Phil just ran the manual through the kurzweil software and converted it as an rtf file. I'm going to see if that was effective. How much does the kurzweil software run? Thanks. Omar Binno AIM: LOD1116 Skype: obinno1 Website: www.omarbinno.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Hall To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: reading pdf Hi Omar: Try this and see if it works for you. If you have the Kurzweil Personal Reader software on your system, open the manual with Adobe, then use the print command. Don't do an actual print arrow over to the Kurzweil virtual printer and press enter, this will open up the manual in Kurzweil and you should be able to use Kurzweil to read it. Hopes this works for you. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Omar Binno To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: [ddots-l] reading pdf Hello, I'm trying to read a pdf manual for an older roland instrument which I downloaded from their site. When I open the document with adobe reader, however, all it says is "allert, empty document." If I try going to the other pages in the manual, I get the same message. Any thoughts? Omar Binno AIM: LOD1116 Skype: obinno1 Website: www.omarbinno.com