[duxuser] Re: nemeth question - subtracting negative numbers

  • From: Renee Holmes <rholmes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:13:55 -0600

What are teachers using to teach students the Nemeth code in public schools? Is there a series for math like Patterns is for Literary?

Renee H.




At 07:18 AM 12/7/2007, you wrote:
I'm so glad I'm not in school today.  When we did Nemeth, it was done simply.

Deb B.


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From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Davey Hulse
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:56 PM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: nemeth question - subtracting negative numbers

the Nemeth rules are finicky about how that double minus may be written and how then it should be written in Braille.

Look carefully at the font of the second minus sign. Is it in any way superscripted? More and more frequently negative numbers are showing up with that minus sign being in superscript. In that case, the negative sign needs to be supered. So, in Braille, the expression would be:
7-~-"1

with the tilde representing the superscript mark and the quote representing the baseline marker necessary to indicate that the superscript applied only to the minus sign.

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From: <mailto:anthony-list@xxxxxxxx>Anthony Tibbs
To: <mailto:duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: [duxuser] Re: nemeth question - subtracting negative numbers

Hi Katie,

The person who indicated that you use only one subtraction symbol mustn't have realized that doing that would change the nature of the question. Mathetmatically speaking,

7 - -1 = ?

is the same as

7 + 1 = ?

You cannot "drop" one of the subtraction symbols, because it would change the nature of the question. Instead, you would probably be best to Braille it as

7 - (-1) = ?

... keeping both negative signs but putting the negative one in brackets.

This is coming from someone who used Nemeth throughout high school and first-year university courses, but who has no official 'transcribers' training or anything of the sort. I do know, however, that you can't just "drop" a negative sign in the Braille and retain the same meaning!

Take care,
Anthony


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