[ibis-macro] Analog Buffer Modeling - A Summary
- From: "Walter Katz" <wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "IBIS-ATM" <ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:35:35 -0500 (EST)
All,
I will attend next Tuesday's meeting and will be prepared to discuss the
following. I will also be prepared to make a presentation to the IBIS
Summit on any of the following that you do not agree with:
1. LTI vs Non-LTI Modeling
a. I will propose that we table any IBIS-ATM discussion until
someone can present to IBIS a Channel that:
i.
Channel
1. A real IC Vendor SerDes Tx and Rx buffer
2. A real Tx and Rx Package
3. A real interconnect
ii.
When analyzing the Channel using
1. Non-LTI Vendor Models
2. An LTI approximation of the Models
iii. Give
results that are different enough to cause the design engineer to make
substantively different design decisions.
2. Can anyone provide an IBIS SerDes Tx and Rx Buffer that has a
constant impedance over the operating range of the Buffer that cannot be
accurately represented by either the proposed AMI_Thevenin_Tx and
AMI_Thevenin_Rx model? Please note the following subtle limitation of BIRD
116 described in 3.
3. [External Model]/Language ISS assumes that the Analog Model LTI.
Therefore any Non-LTI affects that are caused by time variation that is
captured in the IBIS Rising and Falling Waveforms. The only way to handle
this is to change the D_to_A to contain a PWL.
4. Can anyone provide an ISS subckt that represents a Tx or Rx ISS
SerDes buffer model that cannot be converted to an accurate Touchstone
file?
5. Can anyone point to an industry standard SerDes specification
(e.g. PCIeG3, PCIeG4, IEEE 802.3 bj, ap, kr) that does not specify
constrains on the analog behavior that cannot be represented by the
proposed AMI_Thevenin_Tx and AMI_Thevenin_Rx model?
6. Does anyone disagree that any Tx or Rx analog LTI model can be
represented by one of the proposed models ( AMI_Tstonefile_Tx,
AMI_Tstonefile_Rx, AMI_Thevenin_Tx, or AMI_Thevenin_Rx model?
Walter
Walter Katz
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Phone 303.449-2308
Mobile 720.333-1107
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