[ibis-macro] Re: Eye mask question
- From: "Dmitriev-Zdorov, Vladimir" <vladimir_dmitriev-zdorov@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <msteinb@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Muranyi, Arpad" <Arpad_Muranyi@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:14:48 -0700
My guess is that Arpad's question could be reformulated as follows. Do
we have something in AMI spec/AMI parameters that would affect possible
freedom/choice of mask parameters in the final check, compared to the
case when the eye diagram is built from e.g. long Spice simulation
(hypothetically) or measurement or other non-AMI related way? One
possible limiter could be presence of clock ticks showing how Rx output
waveform should be centered and therefore this could determine
horizontal mask positioning.
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To: Muranyi, Arpad
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Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Eye mask question
Arpad-
It seems to me that the timing of an Rx mask is going to depend on who
defined the mask and what they had in mind when they did it. Therefore I
don't think there's any one answer that fits all cases.
One possibility is that the mask would be placed with respect to the
clock ticks or an equivalent estimate of recovered clock timing. That
choice may be appropriate for some industry standard or locally defined
masks. For others, "best fit" might be the appropriate choice. Another
possibility would be something related to an ideal clock recovery, such
as mean or median threshold crossing time (two separate and distinct
possibilities with important differences between them).
In short, "Ask your mask maker."
Mike S.
Muranyi, Arpad wrote:
> Sorry for my poor problem statement...
>
> I mean the output of Rx (as it comes back from
> Rx GetWave), used together with the clock ticks
> from Rx GetWave to formulate the eye.
>
> Arpad
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Westerhoff [mailto:twesterh@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:40 PM
> To: Muranyi, Arpad
> Cc: IBIS-ATM
> Subject: Re: [ibis-macro] Eye mask question
>
> Arpad,
>
> Not meaning to be enigmatic here, but what signal(s) are you thinking
> get used to generate the eye diagram, and how?
>
> Todd.
>
> Todd Westerhoff
> VP, Software Products
> SiSoft
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>
>
> Muranyi, Arpad wrote:
>
>> Hello IBIS-AMI experts,
>>
>> This is a question regarding the analysis/evaluation
>> of the results we get back from an AMI simulation.
>>
>> How does the user decide whether the eye is good or bad?
>>
>> Naturally we have this thing called eye mask (template)
>> which we would all be able to drop into the eye without
>> touching any of the waveforms. But where are we trying
>> to position it? Anywhere it fits the best way? Or is
>> it supposed to be positioned at a certain location?
>>
>> Thanks for any feedback in advance,
>>
>> Arpad
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