MM, No, customer of ASIC vendors will not design their own ASICS, but interact with the ASIC vendor to select appropriate buffers for each bus. And this is not the only reason for generating a single model IBIS file, but we find it to be used quite often by companies having ASICs designed for them. Walter -----Original Message----- From: Mirmak, Michael [mailto:michael.mirmak@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:34 PM To: wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx; milabont@xxxxxxxxx; 'IBIS-ATM' Subject: RE: [ibis-macro] Re: Minutes from the 18 and 25 Nov 2008 ibis-atm meetings Walter, Could you clarify this please? Do you mean that the customers of ASIC vendors will, in turn, design their own ASICs? Are you also implying that providing ASIC buffer designs is the only/major reason single-buffer IBIS models are appearing? - MM -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter Katz Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:19 AM To: milabont@xxxxxxxxx; 'IBIS-ATM' Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Minutes from the 18 and 25 Nov 2008 ibis-atm meetings All, In reviewing the minutes of the 11/25/08 meeting I would like to take issue with one set of comments: - Mike L: Plug and play is important - Michael M: Only in post-layout analysis - Arpad: More and more 1-buffer IBIS models are appearing (serdes) This is true because the ASIC vendors are supplying SerDes models to their customers to help their customers design their systems and select and configure their Tx/Rx buffers. As soon as their customers start designing full ASIC's, they will then build IBIS models for all of their complete Components. Walter -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike LaBonte (milabont) Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:00 PM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Minutes from the 18 and 25 Nov 2008 ibis-atm meetings Minutes from the 18 and 25 Nov 2008 ibis-atm meetings are attached. Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website : http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/macromodel_wip/ IBIS Macro reflector: //www.freelists.org/list/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe