Walter, Here are a few comments from Vladimir on the proposed BIRD 123: 1. There are several places where Walter introduced "half the peak to peak variation" instead of "peak to peak variation". These are: Page 3, for Tx_Dj Page 5, for Rx_Clock_Recovery_Dj Page 7, for Rx_Dj In all such cases, the proposed formulas use rand(), still defined as "a function that returns floating point numbers between -.5 and +.5 with white uniform distribution". However, the formulas were not changed accordingly, and remain respectively: Time(n)= n*bit_time+Tx_Dj*rand() actual_time = ideal_time + Rx_Clock_Recovery_Dj*rand() actual_time = time + Rx_Dj*rand() We cannot change only the definition for rand() since it is used in the expressions like "actual_time = ideal_time + Rx_Clock_Recovery_Sj*sin(Pi*rand())" Therefore, we should either (a) add a factor 2 in above formulas, to make them: Time(n)= n*bit_time+2*Tx_Dj*rand() actual_time = ideal_time + 2*Rx_Clock_Recovery_Dj*rand() actual_time = time + 2*Rx_Dj*rand() Or, (b) we can change the definition of rand() to "a function that returns floating point numbers between -1.0 and +1.0 with white uniform distribution", but also modify all its occurrences under "sin" or "cos" by adding a factor 1/2: sin(Pi/2*rand()) instead of sin(Pi*rand()) 2. In a couple of places we need to change (-1)n into (-1)^n, these are on pages 6 and 7: Page 6: actual_time=ideal_time+Rx_Clock_Recovery_DCD*(-1)n Page 7: actual_time = time + Rx_DCD*(-1)n Thanks, Arpad ========================================= From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of fangyi_rao@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:49 PM To: wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx; ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Revision to the Jitter BIRD (123.2) Hi, Walter; Since the Tx_Dj definition is changed to "half the peak to peak", shouldn't the formula for Tx_Dj be changed accordingly to Time(n)= n*bit_time+2*Tx_Dj*rand() rand()is a function that returns floating point numbers between -.5 and +.5 with white uniform distribution. Thanks, Fangyi From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<mailto:[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]> On Behalf Of Walter Katz Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:49 AM To: IBIS-ATM Subject: [ibis-macro] Revision to the Jitter BIRD (123.2) All, Based on comments from James Zhou, and discussions in today's Open Forum meeting, I have made changes to BIRD 123.2 (enclosed). The two classes of changes relate to: 1. Making the new Dj jitter parameters "half the peak to peak" instead of "peak to peak" to be consistent with all of the other jitter parameters. 2. Clarifying the "time" in statistical equations for a. Rx_Clock_Recovery_Sj b. Rx_Rj c. Rx_Sj d. Rx_DCD Please review these changes, and comment by e-mail. Discussing this will be on the agenda for the next IBIS-ATM meeting. Walter Walter Katz wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx> Phone 303.449-2308 Mobile 303.335-6156