[mac4theblind] Re: List policy and reminders
- From: Rory <rory820@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 20:30:52 -0400
Regardless of which ever argument is right or wrong, this is a Mac for the
blind list, not a Microsoft windows or jAWS list take your debates somewhere
else, the people on this list are looking for support with their Macintosh and
iOS devices.
And furthermore, this is not a discussion list. This is a list for questions to
be asked and then answered.
John just did a very judicious job of explaining everything, and definition of
a troll is exactly what you are doing!
I hope no one leaves this list over this.
Regards,
Rory
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> This is just so unfair. Look, I don't care what the zealots on this list
> say, I am not a troll. I argued in good faith which is more than I can say
> for the people I was arguing with. John himself said something that is
> simply untrue -- that Mac sales have outstripped Windows. That is NOT true.
> He was the one who refused to back down, not me.
>
> Well, adios people. Don't bother banning me. I'm out of here.
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>> On 03/24/2015 05:05 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> I want to be clear about a few things that occurred yesterday. List
>> traffic got exceptionally high, and I apologize to those of you who, like
>> me, have enough to deal with in our inboxes during the course of a day.
>> There were over 40 messages in regard to a subject that had really no place
>> on the list, and there were 12 alone overnight..
>>
>> I was going to post the rules here again for the list, but I then
>> decided that it shouldn't be necessary. I simply like this list to stay on
>> topic and be a list for questions and answers for technical support matters.
>> Understand that off topic is fine within reason, and I tend to let things
>> slide, especially if I know the people posting and I also know they will not
>> go too far astray. We've had it occur before, and it's generally not been a
>> problem.
>>
>> Nevertheless, I take some responsibility for what occurred yesterday, as
>> I broke a few of my own personal rules about avoiding being drawn into
>> debates with people who are not going to back down. Each response to
>> messages yesterday generated more list traffic, and this is exactly the kind
>> of situation you don't want on the list. Also, it is why I referred to it
>> as "trolling", and I had two list members write to me within a half hour of
>> one another also indicated that they felt the list was being trolled. One
>> message was particularly humorous, and I thank the person for giving me a
>> laugh at around 11:50 last night, as I needed it.
>>
>> Here is what would have happened if I had let things go in the direction
>> they were heading. This individual sent me a link privately to an article he
>> found that supported his assertions about PCs out selling Macs, and he was
>> not aware that I had about nine links I collected or was sent by someone off
>> list that talked about Macs eclipsing PC sales in the last 9 sales
>> quarters. The problem is, if links start getting posted to prove the
>> sender's point, it simply goes back and forth and generates off topic
>> traffic that eventually causes members to leave the list entirely. I've seen
>> it happen on other lists, and I had to think of the overall state of the
>> list, and not my own personal position about the subject I wanted to back.
>>
>> So, I choose not to post my links and end the topic, and in the words of
>> one of our list members, who sent me the amusing message off list and though
>> I will not identify them, I will basically quote one of their several
>> comments here, "It's obvious there is an agenda at work here. Why invite a
>> means for him to push that agenda. If he thinks Windows is so wonderful and
>> he wants to live in the past, remove him from the list and let him do so
>> elsewhere."
>>
>> I did not remove anyone from the list, though. I have not banned a member
>> in the several years I've run this list. However, please do not push your
>> luck either. The topic remains closed, but I wanted to address things
>> because I had four list members write to me about this, and I also feel the
>> list deserves an explanation.
>>
>> Also, on a similar note, as a word of advice, if you want to write me
>> privately and give me suggestions about list policy changes, I certainly
>> don't mind and will read them and may even institute them if I find them
>> appealing. However, do not try to dictate list policy to me and tell me
>> what I should do in your opinion. Start your own list if you want to run it
>> in a particular way that suits your style. This list has existed for several
>> years with its current policies and I was actually quite flattered and
>> shocked by the number of people we now have subscribing here. I do thank all
>> of the newcomers that have joined us in the last few months, and I apologize
>> for not posting a welcome to you all.
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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